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post Feb 7 2010, 02:05 AM
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QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Feb 6 2010, 12:35 PM) *
HIV, eh?

From what I understand, no one has ever been able to recreate the experiment Robert Gallo performed to "prove" the link between HIV and AIDS.
Furthermore, Gallo has been shown to have fraudulently edited his research to create a conclusion his data did not support. More documentation of Gallo's fraud.

So, yeah... shit is mad sketchy.
My guess is that it's just a convenient excuse for the WHO to ignore real concerns in Africa so that populations stay manageable, but I won't stick to my guns on just what evidence I've got.

Huh?
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post Feb 7 2010, 03:03 AM
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If you are referencing "where a rock meets the sky," I made some mention of a possibility in one of my drafts on a recent project. My comments didn't survive the Dev-Edit, but Ancient History may have put some notes in his section.

Some call it Insel Olchon, others Sagan Zaba...depends on which of the people you trust, the natives or the conquerors. Either way, PM me if you want my completely non-canonical explanation.
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post Feb 7 2010, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Feb 7 2010, 03:03 AM) *
If you are referencing "where a rock meets the sky," I made some mention of a possibility in one of my drafts on a recent project. My comments didn't survive the Dev-Edit, but Ancient History may have put some notes in his section.

Some call it Insel Olchon, others Sagan Zaba...depends on which of the people you trust, the natives or the conquerors. Either way, PM me if you want my completely non-canonical explanation.


Lake Baikal?
PM sent.
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post Feb 7 2010, 11:42 AM
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Wasn't there mention of a floating island in Canon Shadowrun? O.o
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post Feb 7 2010, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 7 2010, 11:42 AM) *
Wasn't there mention of a floating island in Canon Shadowrun? O.o


no that's Avatar (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Not that I recall, some of those in ED.
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post Feb 7 2010, 12:26 PM
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I think it was in DOTSW.
The Big D shedding some light on stuff i believe.
Basically, a floating island following the ley-lines.
More or less what the mythos of Atlantis was based on.
But of course, i can be wrong about this. Probably am.
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post Feb 7 2010, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 7 2010, 04:26 AM) *
I think it was in DOTSW.
The Big D shedding some light on stuff i believe.
Basically, a floating island following the ley-lines.
More or less what the mythos of Atlantis was based on.
But of course, i can be wrong about this. Probably am.

Even if you are RE: canon, that's a nice idea. I might use that in one of my campaigns, unless it's already in one of the DotA modules - if it isn't, I might add it as a continuation of that storyline.

On a related note, to those of you who are familiar with the Dawn of the Artifacts modules: Could they be (reasonably easily) modified to give the Runners a choice of who to work for? I like the idea of being tempted by the Atlantean Foundation with a complete alternate storyline - possibly even playing both sides, like letting one side examine an artifact before giving it to the other, or even keeping an artifact which the players think might be more valuable in use than what they were offered to retrieve it.
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post Feb 7 2010, 08:46 PM
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yes, there are several factions working in DotA to give you a chance to change teams.
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post Feb 7 2010, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Feb 7 2010, 12:46 PM) *
yes, there are several factions working in DotA to give you a chance to change teams.

Is it written in, or will I have to modify the adventures?
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post Feb 7 2010, 09:05 PM
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You'd have to modify the adventure to run it for another group's agenda. However, I'd suggest reading *both* the released adventures before changing things - the Atlantean's have a hidden agenda, which begins to be revealed to the GM in Midnight.

However, there are several factions mentioned, and even factions-within-factions (ie, Mystic Crusaders working within the Atlantean Foundation). It would be fairly simple for an experienced GM to run the adventure from a different side.
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post Feb 7 2010, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 7 2010, 01:26 PM) *
I think it was in DOTSW.
The Big D shedding some light on stuff i believe.
Basically, a floating island following the ley-lines.

You mean floating as in hovering in the air? And even moving around? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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post Feb 8 2010, 02:41 AM
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Is that where I got the idea for having a dragon meeting ground on a floating island on the Pacific? I thought I got it from canon, but couldn't think of where.
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post Feb 8 2010, 04:37 AM
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QUOTE (Penta @ Feb 6 2010, 06:30 PM) *
Keep in mind that a lot of the UCAS's areas that are urban will have a *lot* of refugees from NAN turf. These people will suddenly stream into the cities with the attitudes developed wherever they grew up. Things will suddenly get a lot more purple-looking, let's put it that way.


Refugees are going to have had every thing they know turned upside down on them.

The older ones might cling harder to their traditions, but the younger ones are going to be floating free.

Plus that was over two generations ago.

Finally while the UCAS is not really going to be one giant plex like something out of Judge Dredd, the clear majority of people are going to be urban and that will really change the political landscape.
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post Feb 8 2010, 05:47 AM
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QUOTE (Penta @ Feb 6 2010, 05:30 PM) *
I could see tolerance - tolerance, mind you, does not equal acceptance, social approval, or anything remotely like that. It just indicates a willingness to forego beating you over the head.

NYC doesn't offer tolerance. What it offers is anonymity. This is a town in which people can keep 400 pound TIGERS in little apartments. And nobody cares as long at he doesn't make them notice it.

There won't be any 'tolerance' shown if your coworkers in Manhattan discover that you are RTL or a republican. But unless you go out of your way nobody will ever figure it out. They just won't care enough to notice.

I had a an NYC ex-cop talk about how his ESU raid team (10 cops wearing 'Police' marked heavy armor, carrying shotguns and SMGs, getting out of marked vehicles with overhead lights going), had to force their way through the crowds one morning. Everyone was all looking down and deliberately not noticing what was going on around them. They had to push people out of the way to get to their target.
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post Feb 8 2010, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE (Sengir @ Feb 8 2010, 12:25 AM) *
You mean floating as in hovering in the air? And even moving around? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

Yes! Only for Dragons!
QUOTE (ravensmuse @ Feb 8 2010, 03:41 AM) *
Is that where I got the idea for having a dragon meeting ground on a floating island on the Pacific? I thought I got it from canon, but couldn't think of where.

Probably ^^
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post Feb 8 2010, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 8 2010, 09:21 AM) *
Yes! Only for Dragons!

Looks like dragons also have a taste for recreational pharmaceuticals, how else would one get that idea? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 8 2010, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE (Sengir @ Feb 6 2010, 06:54 AM) *
Well, it has been observed exactly once, so nobody knows if that therapy really works or it just happened. And of course finding a suitable bone marrow donor is hard enough, finding one who is alos immune to HIV is next to impossible...at least with Fifth World tech

That's interesting, since I've read that they have successfully done this at least eight times, with the same results each time.
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post Feb 8 2010, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Feb 8 2010, 06:29 PM) *
That's interesting, since I've read that they have successfully done this at least eight times, with the same results each time.

There have been several attempts to cure HIV with bone marrow transplants, but AFAIK there is only one case where no active HIV was found afterwards. Note that this is still different from a complete cure, the virus is most likely still hiding in several cells and if it ever happens to mutate and use a different receptor...
Also keep in mind that one third of all people who undergo a bone marrow transplantation die from complications.
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post Feb 8 2010, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Feb 5 2010, 11:05 PM) *
... Well, it's not really a cure, but they've found that if they do a bone marrow transplant from one person who is immune to AIDS to one who is not, the bone marrow carries the immunity over as well. Short time later, the recipient is now immune.

I never called it a cure.
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post Feb 8 2010, 10:50 PM
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Most of the time when people refer to polygamy or polyamourous relationships they mean males with multiple female partners. This was a more natural conclusion in our prior history when women were largely disenfranchised and had less personal power than men. Over the last few centuries we've seen a significant shift in female power and income potential - I wonder if this will lead to more group marriages with multiple men per women or equal numbers of men and women in a plural marriage? I don't know if the stats on this have changed significantly over the last hundred years (or even if anyone has those stats), but how would you see this trend evolving over the next 60?
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post Feb 8 2010, 10:51 PM
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As such relationships are generally not recognized officially IRL, I doubt there are stats to work from.
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post Feb 13 2010, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (Penta @ Feb 8 2010, 02:51 PM) *
As such relationships are generally not recognized officially IRL, I doubt there are stats to work from.

There are some countries where various forms of polyamory are the norm. There aren't many, but I've personally seen that changing as public awareness grows. Of course, Seattle is one of the most accepting cities around.
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post Feb 13 2010, 01:39 AM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Feb 12 2010, 08:16 PM) *
Of course, Seattle is one of the most accepting cities around.


Probably has something to do with its history.

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Is the Moon a Harsh Mistress?
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post Feb 13 2010, 03:46 AM
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QUOTE (Daylen @ Feb 12 2010, 06:01 PM) *
Is the Moon a Harsh Mistress?

OMFG, you just gave me another answer for the question "where does the rock touch the sky?"... The Moon, obviously! It's a giant rock, in the sky... Plus it's something semi-abstract, that people take for granted. Very few people when asked "where the rock touches the sky" would come up with the Moon as an answer, and those who had probably wouldn't benefit from it, considering space travel is a very recent development...
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