ain't that a kick in the teeth

ain't that a kick in the teeth, SR video game confirmed for xbox 360

Caine Hazen View Member Profile	Jul 21 2005, 10:04 PM Post #101
MechRigger Delux Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Hanger 18, WPAFB Member No.: 1,657	Not that I wanna knock anyones hopes down...but do you people even remember Deus Ex 2... That was designed witht he consol in mind before the PC...that's what consol FPS/RPGs turn into... it'll be nice to see what this looks like, nice if it boosts Sruns visablity..but I probably won't like the crowd it brings in :( I know I hate the crowd Mechassult brought to Btech some days...

hobgoblin View Member Profile	Jul 21 2005, 10:37 PM Post #102
panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242	hmm, i have yet to try deus ex 2 but from what i understand both ammo and nanotech where simplified to be simpler to control on a console. the unified ammo thing may have been the biggest problem as it leads to people packing one weapon and one weapon only. only time you change weapon is when you have run out of ammo, and then its to a melee weapon. atleast in deus ex 1 you where packing rockets or sabot rounds for the shotgun to take out drones, sniper ammo for the rifle (or you could deck out a stealthgun with scope and range mods to get mostly the same effect, nothing like taking down a mib from across the yard with a handgun :P ) and so on... hell, if one unifies ammo, why not unify the guns to. have the barrel morph based on what you want to use it for. want sniping? it will grow long. want a big boom? it will grow fat so that it can deliver that big blob of a slug. only reason i can think of for not doing that is game balance, so that people dont start gunning down punks using rpgs :silly: just look at how deus ex 1 starts out. yes you can get a gep gun (basicly and advanced rpg) but you will find limited amounts of ammo for it at the beginning. the sniper rifle or the crossbow is a better selection (with the crossbow you can get plenty of ammo of the goons). hell, i even think you will find a silencer you can equip on that rilfe in the early parts. but with unified ammo you cant hand out a gep when starting as you every crossbowman you take down will be carrying ammo for it! talk about overkill... just goes to show that you cant make a good fps on a console. not until you get one that can understand a basic keyboard and mouse ;) but doing that to a xbox and you just turn it into a lowpowered pc :P hmm, where do a modern console stop and a modern pc begin exactly? and didnt nintendo build a nes package with keyboard and printer?

Zen Shooter01 View Member Profile	Jul 21 2005, 11:49 PM Post #103
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042	If it hits big it will very probably go multiplatform.

Dark Scrier

Jul 22 2005, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE

JA3D is going to be a 3D update of JA2. Who knows if they'll change more (more realism and less retarded humor'd be nice).

JA3 will be a whole new game, which will hopefully take the good stuff in JA2 and jettison the crap.

Apparently the two projects have merged, and are now one and the same.

Kagetenshi

Jul 22 2005, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE (hobgoblin)

just look at how deus ex 1 starts out. yes you can get a gep gun (basicly and advanced rpg) but you will find limited amounts of ammo for it at the beginning. the sniper rifle or the crossbow is a better selection (with the crossbow you can get plenty of ammo of the goons).

The GEP gun is arguably the best selection, as it's the only weapon you can't pick off of an enemy in the first map. It's quite some time thereafter until you next get the chance to acquire one.

~J

Arethusa View Member Profile	Jul 22 2005, 02:28 AM Post #106
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775	Of course, it's only marginally useful and very expensive to pursue, skill wise. Also, Deus Ex was cloddishly designed and ridiculously overrated, even if it was pretty good for its time.

hobgoblin

Jul 22 2005, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Jul 22 2005, 04:12 AM)

QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Jul 21 2005, 05:37 PM)

just look at how deus ex 1 starts out. yes you can get a gep gun (basicly and advanced rpg) but you will find limited amounts of ammo for it at the beginning. the sniper rifle or the crossbow is a better selection (with the crossbow you can get plenty of ammo of the goons).

The GEP gun is arguably the best selection, as it's the only weapon you can't pick off of an enemy in the first map. It's quite some time thereafter until you next get the chance to acquire one.

~J

but the issue is still ammo. and from what i recall the gep dont get many shots pr clip.
and the early bots you encounter are damned easy to dodge ones you figure out their movement pattern ;)

why bring on the heavy artillery when you can just walk past the enemy?

still its a matter of style realy. i prefer sneaking and sniping rather then blowing stuff up. maybe thats why i get invisibility and hang on to the dragon tooth :silly:

for me the gep basicly is to limited in use, and realy all to bulky in inventory...

but that may be the best quality of the game, that the player dont have to stop and ask himself what the designer wanted him to do at any given time. instead the game can fit any playing style the player have, from ninja to terminator :silly:

Kagetenshi View Member Profile	Jul 22 2005, 12:15 PM Post #108
Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802	The extremely early parts of the game, the GEP gun is just so much filler for your inventory. Incidentally, it doesn't get clips, just a max of twenty loose rounds plus one loaded. Nonetheless, neither of the other two weapons are particularly limited in ammunition (at least if you're good with the rifle) and both are available again within the first five minutes of gameplay. ~J "Flatlander woman"

Guest_Overwatch_*	Jul 22 2005, 05:04 PM Post #109
Guests	System. Shock. 2. One of the most brilliant games ever made, and an FPS.

Fu-Man Chu View Member Profile	Jul 22 2005, 10:54 PM Post #110
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 328 Joined: 1-October 03 Member No.: 5,667	To bring this somewhat back on topic (though I do have to say I enjoyed DE1, System Shock 2, and JA2 all immensely!), I wanted to drop what little I've heard about the SR game. Last year at Origins (2004), I had the chance to play a Mechwarrior game (the RPG) run by Jordan Weisman and so got a chance to chat with him over the 4 hour period. One thing that I asked was about a Shadowrun game and without saying so much, he did say that there was work on it. It's not too surprising that it's for the Xbox as after Microsoft acquired FASA, Weisman went to work for them as Creative Director. Considering he was able to preserve the feel and mechanics of the Mechwarrior line fairly well in the computer games, I would tend to think that he would be able to port the game over from pen & paper over to electronic...

Guest_Overwatch_*	Jul 23 2005, 04:59 AM Post #111
Guests	Here's hoping for some official info soon. I wonder if the Redmond campus has a Shadowlands node.

Kyuhan View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 10:52 AM Post #112
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 4-September 04 Member No.: 6,628	I'm on the "SR would probably be best as being similar to the new school GTA games only better and with SR" bandwagon.

ShadowDragon8685 View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 11:02 AM Post #113
Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445	As long as it's better, and I get to shoot the fools with a tricked out Predator II... :)

Kyuhan View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 12:18 PM Post #114
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 4-September 04 Member No.: 6,628	Amen.

ShadowDragon8685 View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 12:47 PM Post #115
Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445	Because, I think, in the throes of RPG snob elitism, the people who deride this game are forgetting the core facts of Shadowrun. The core facts of Shadowrun are that it is a game. A game that, ostensibly, is played for fun. And that a great many of us here, whether or not we want to admit it in as many crude words, derive our fun from the simulated and/or imaginary destruction of the fools, preferably with high magic or high firepower. Or dikoted stop signs. We can't forget those. :)

Dark Scrier View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 01:07 PM Post #116
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 196 Joined: 1-August 02 From: The land of unforgiving doom Member No.: 3,052	Show me a good FPS where I get a dikoted stop sign, and I'll be there. Until I hear more, I still don't enjoy FPS that much.

Kyuhan View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 01:29 PM Post #117
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 4-September 04 Member No.: 6,628	Me neither, I liked Deus Ex, but I outgrew FPS around the time Doom lost its luster.

Herald of Verjig... Herald of Verjigorm View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 02:03 PM Post #118
Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017	Just to muddy the predispositions a little furthur. I recently found a copy of Anachronox. It's an interesting RPG with an interface system similar to KotOR. I haven't gotten very far in it, so I don't know how good I would consider it compared to other games, but it is built on the Quake 2 game engine. Yes, a RPG built up from the core of a FPS.

sanctusmortis View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 05:17 PM Post #119
Target Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 14-June 05 Member No.: 7,444	System Shock's probably the better model, due to the good use of the inventory sytem and handling of stuff like hacking and using tools. If they can do that in either the Quake 4 or FarCry engines I'll buy it. Hell, it's MS so they have the Halo engine...

FrostyNSO View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 11:21 PM Post #120
Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550	Starwars:KotOR and II were sortof 1st person. It had melee as well as ranged combat and using "the force" was sortof like selecting spells and what not. Also lots of conversation options, multiple ways around situations (sometimes), could be played with different character builds... I think a similar system could work for SR.

Aku View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 11:38 PM Post #121
Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769	the problem with KoTOR is that alot of times, you can feel like you're not in control, because of the way that it handles things to make it appear like it's playing in real time\

ShadowDragon8685 View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 11:52 PM Post #122
Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445	Not to mention the fact that because all actions execute simultainously, as opposed to in an inititive order in KotOR, because it's trying to be real-time, a lot of things are broken. Like grenades. About fecking USELESS unless you're a crack shot at judging distance.

mfb View Member Profile	Jul 23 2005, 11:56 PM Post #123
Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670	are you crazy? grenades in KotOR are the best thing since sliced bread.

Aku View Member Profile	Jul 24 2005, 12:00 AM Post #124
Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769	i didnt bother with the grenades as much as i did the mines... mines ROCK in both games.

golden-one

Jul 24 2005, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE (Overwatch)

System.
Shock.
2.

One of the most brilliant games ever made, and an FPS.

thank you! someone had to say that. infact system shock (the original) is still one of my favorite games. that *was* an fps, but it also had a roleplaying element, a puzzle solving element, a somewhat limited, but still present "decking" subsystem (an actual full imersion thing, not ss2's line up the dots), it had modifyable weapons,and some "cyberwear". for the time it was a brilliant game.

the freaky thing is that the plot in no way influenced "ra:s" what so ever. nope . no plot similarities what so ever.

earlier posters are right though. before converting any PnP roleplaying game, the design team should at least play one frelling sesion. a google search to find the current fan base wouldnt have heart either.

(on a related note, does the fact that an xb360 is basically a powermac in a hat mean that there will be ports for those who dont allways use wintel boxes?)

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