 ain't that a kick in the teeth, SR video game confirmed for xbox 360 |
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 Jul 24 2005, 12:04 AM
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KOTOR AND Jade Empire, games wher eyou can be a good guy or and asshole, but not really evil.
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Jul 24 2005, 12:23 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Not any more than the fact that the current XBox is basically an x86/Windows computer in a hat means that current x86 Windows machines are getting tons of ports of games. ~J |
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Jul 24 2005, 12:40 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
and isnt apple droping the ppc for the x86? |
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Jul 24 2005, 12:41 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Yes, starting next year and finishing up around '08. In this case, that's not the important part.
~J, still hoping it's all a bad dream and that he'll wake up on the morning of WWDC and hear Steve's announced 4GHz G5 towers and 3GHz G5 Powerbooks. |
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Jul 24 2005, 04:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 18-August 03 Member No.: 5,513 |
I remember when people were moaning about when or even whether M$ was going to put out an SR game. Now that they have finally exercised their license options with SR, people won't stop bitching about it... Well, the more things change, the more they stay the same, right? :wobble:
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Jul 24 2005, 04:19 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
When we were last moaning about it, Microsoft wasn't developing for consoles and most certainly didn't have one of their own.
Of course, some people were going to moan anyway. Not some specific people, mind you—I don't think many people were just hoping that "a game, any game" would be made, they were hoping for a good game. To throw the necessary confusion into the mix, people have (shock) different opinions as to what would make the game good. ~J |
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Jul 24 2005, 06:17 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 14-June 05 Member No.: 7,444 |
Thought the devkits may be modded Macs, the actual machine is actually more powerful.
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Jul 24 2005, 06:20 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Er, no. The actual machine is more specialized. There's a difference.
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Jul 24 2005, 11:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 18-August 03 Member No.: 5,513 |
WHAAAAT?!?!? How long has the X-Box been out? No, people have been periodically moaning about this for quite some time. Sorry, but it's been M$ policy to develop their games for the console FIRST for almost as long as they've had the X-Box... It does look like the development team tech that they interviewed doesn't know a thing about Shadowrun. But then again, why would he? They (M$) just wanted to put a taste out there, a little blood in the water, so to speak. My expectations for computer/video games has gotten very low. In a world where popular categories of consumer goods are 90 percent shit, the computer gaming industry manages to raise that high standard to 98 percent... I think there were ALOT of people who wanted to see a product and they thought that it would be exactly what they wanted in such a game. Well, the computer gaming industry is not exactly the most responsive to it's customers... FPS leaves a bad taste in the mouth for some people. I understand nobody wants to think of SR as a glorified DOOM mod... On the otherhand, Deus Ex was pretty goddamn good. I'm not really sure what the solution is and God knows I love to rip Micro$oft every chance I get... But there is no evidence in my mind at least that this will be a bad game, despite the jabbering of some clunky flunkie.... |
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Jul 24 2005, 11:52 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Heh, you're right, my brain died somewhere in the logic there. I was specifically thinking about the previously-announced (and then canned) SR video game, which I'm pretty sure was before the XBox.
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Jul 27 2005, 01:32 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 |
If elder scrolls 3 morrowind used guns it would be a fps, instead its just fp with a 3rd person option. And elder scrolls 3 rocked the casbah. Its one of the most open ended, free form interactive rpgs to date. So I see no problem with a fps design for a rpg. |
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Jul 27 2005, 01:44 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Search here for "Ebony and Ivory" and "gunmod."
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Jul 27 2005, 03:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 196 Joined: 1-August 02 From: The land of unforgiving doom Member No.: 3,052 |
See, even there. I didn't enjoy Morrowwind either.
Also, the other thing I realise I failed to mention is I love the team aspect of being a Shadowrunner. If the game is a one-man warehouse of skills and equipment, I'll be slightly less happy with it than I would be with a team game. |
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Jul 27 2005, 03:41 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
X-Box live multiplayer, maybe. That feature would give you some team aspects. It wouldn't even be difficult to impliment if they designed the game correctly. Different save files for world data and and character data would alow any character to jump into any existing game world. What is it that you didn't like about Morrowind? For a single player RPG it was fantastic. For a FPS it had some problems. The combat system could have been more refined. Personally, I believe that player skill should factor into combat in a real time RPG. If not, you might as well just make it turn-bases |
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Jul 27 2005, 04:39 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Then you should enjoy Oblivion. Last bit I read stated that it'll have accuracy completely up to the player but damage ruled by the stats. |
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Jul 27 2005, 06:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 196 Joined: 1-August 02 From: The land of unforgiving doom Member No.: 3,052 |
Partially the combat system, but mostly the amount of time it took me to walk anywhere, and the fact that I had no clue where I was. I lost interest early. My friends all seem to love it, so no doubt I'll be convinced it's a good idea to play the next one. |
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Jul 31 2005, 05:28 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 31-July 05 From: The Island of the Mosquito Women Member No.: 7,527 |
Anyone remember the original PC version of GW's Space Hulk? Essentially a FPS, it had a "freeze time" feature where you'd pause the game to issue commands to your squad members, but it would slowly tick down as you used it. Something similar, perhaps combined with a rudimentary action point system, might simulate what ShadowDragon8685's talking about here. It would give the player a range and flexibility of actions that would expand their options beyond merely shooting some bugger. And perhaps the FPS element need only kick in during combat encounters. At other times, it would be in the same perspective, but you'd have more freedom of action. How do "FPS" rpgs like Morrowind do it? |
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Aug 8 2005, 01:39 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 7-August 05 Member No.: 7,543 |
Danm you people just roll off topic. I think you dropped your train of thought on like page 3.
i've already hoisted the anti FPS charge on the IGN forums, but after this read, im starting to buckle. I still dislike FPS though, their all just so simple and mindless. but ill concede it may be do-able. The thing im suprised is not being fretted over is the freedom in a game like this. I think anything short of a Grand Theft style open and interactive world would be tragic. And i think i only heard one bitch about probably only getting a single archatype. these are the things that'll bring the game down. Shadowrun thrives on its enormouse amount of player options. races and skills and equipment and mage/shamman/sammie/decker/rigger/etc.. if you dont have an insane amount of options to pick from it'll be a grave injustice. am i the only one thats concerned we might get a final fantasy style so called RPG out this deal and to be really honest untill about three days ago i really did think shadowrun was dead and gone. good be proven wrong. |
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Aug 8 2005, 02:08 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Welcome to Dumpshock ;) Also, keep in mind that you can change the number of posts that appear on a page, so making reference to pages in a thread isn't very useful (not that it matters here). For example, this post is on page 2 for me.
As has been pointed out, they aren't all like that. Indeed, they would never have been like that (Wolfenstein 3D was originally going to be highly stealth-based and involving a lot of hiding bodies, etc.) except that Carmack and Romero realized that that wasn't what people wanted to play. While tastes are shifting, that's still largely the case, unfortunately, but we can hope that they're going for something different here.
I'm not fretting about it because I can't change it. The amount of trust I have in the quality of something from Microsoft game studios can be measured in single-digit femptograms. On the other hand, it's possible that the rest of it is better than the rotting carcass of Bungie.
Is there evidence to this effect, or is that just an assumption?
Hardly. The fact that this is a first-person shooter makes me feel a lot better than I would if it were an RPG—while I'm sure both can be done well, I can point to examples of the former being done well for a Shadowrun-style game. I cannot do so with the latter. ~J |
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Aug 8 2005, 05:54 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Did you ever play America's Army? www.americasarmy.com It's anything but simple and mindless. Strategy and positioning are key in that game. Requiring real-time application of skill =/= simple and mindless. Simple and mindless would, in my opinion, be more like a Final Fantasy RPG, since winning battles and such in that context is basically just a matter of wandering around, leveling up, and then hitting the button that enters commands. |
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Aug 8 2005, 06:49 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 |
walking speed in the early game blowed hard. It almost stoped me from playing the game. After a few levels where i put atribute points into speed, walking speed became ok, and after a bunch of levels it was down right fast. And it was well worth the wait, the game is so open and free form its amazing. Side note there were some fun but lame alchemy cheats. One of which i made a bunch of int potions(the alchemny link attribute) drank them all made some more int potions etc, until i eventually had an absurd int, i then made lots of potions one of which was speed. I had like a 1000 speed, and it looked like you were the flash or something, screens changed so quick you almost couldnt see it, you crossed the game world in a couple seconds. Man that was a blast, after i beat the game breaking it was a lot of fun. |
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Aug 8 2005, 07:03 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Man, I hated Morrowind. Not a single thing in that game was of interest to me. I don't really handle open style RPGs well...I also hated Fallout because I found it disjointed, unbalanced, and the plot wagon didn't work so well. The first time I tried to play through the game I actually went and killed everyone in the Cathederal with only my main character while 1.) I didn't find any of the companions, since I was being very objective-orientated and 2.) I had no idea *why* I was killing everyone in the cathederal, but had some vague idea that that's what the plot wagon wanted me to do.
After that, I lost interest in the game completely. I wasn't sure where I was supposed to go next, and all of the super secret underground hidey holes were just too tough for my one character to kill everyone by himself, even with repeated reloads. So, basically, not having clear objectives and connectedness in a RPG makes me feel frustrated, in the dark, and I have this feeling of wasting my time throughout. |
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Aug 8 2005, 07:07 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
I neer completeed the main storyline. I just got a bunch of mods and then moded some of them so that my character married the enslaved Vivec, married Dagoth Ur, became a godess, and ruled Morrowind.
Hopeflly, Microsoft will make this game easily modable. They probably won't, knowing how they feel about mods. A Shadowrun FPS/SPG with an easy-to-use mod devolpment kit would rock. |
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Aug 15 2005, 03:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116 |
*joy*
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Aug 26 2005, 01:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 23-August 05 From: C.A.S. Member No.: 7,601 |
Thank you for mentioning this game. God, I loved System Shock 2. Very few games have succeeded in engrossing me as much as that one did. System Shock 2, Deus Ex, Vampire: Bloodlines, Fallout, Fallout: Tactics, and both the SNES and Genesis console versions of Shadowrun, Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, Gothic, Arx Fatalis, and Planescape: Torment basically being The List. =D If the SR game to come has a strong storyline, intense merc action, and a mixture of elements from any of the aforementioned games--specifically the ones above that could be mistaken for FPS--I think I'll be happy. Winter |
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