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 Nov 17 2005, 11:31 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 30-October 05 From: Oslo, Norway Member No.: 7,911  |
I've looked everywhere, but cannot find any mention of what would happen if one inserted so much cyberware into a character that his essence would drop to 0 or even become negative.
As far as I can see essence loss also reduces Magic and Ressonanse and makes a character harder to heal by magic, but no other effects are mentioned. I guess most of you here on the forums have played SR3 and some of the earlier editions too, I however had a brief courtship with SR1 back in the days and have no idea if complete loss of essence has any effects at all comparable to Cyberpunks Cyberpsychosis. Can anyone enlighten me?? |
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Nov 17 2005, 11:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 6-August 02 From: Kiel, Germany Member No.: 3,071 |
With Essence of 0 you are just plain dead (or a cyberzombie owned by a corp)...
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Nov 17 2005, 11:43 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i am told that it says on page 62 what happens at 0 essence. unless it's a major departure from SR1-3 (what are the chances of that?), you die at 0.
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Nov 17 2005, 11:44 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 30-October 05 From: Oslo, Norway Member No.: 7,911 |
CyberZombie..... great! So no cyberpsychosis in shadowrun then. And yes it says on page 62 that characters can never have Essenceof 0 or less. If they do, they die! |
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Nov 17 2005, 01:43 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
And if you're a cyberzombie, you die a horrible death of cancer a few months afterwards, instead of dropping dead immediately, though one could argue that a cyberzombie who has had everything but their brain replaced with metal wouldn't (given that brain cells don't reproduce often enough to go cancerous, right?)
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Nov 17 2005, 02:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
Uhm...never heard of brain-tumors? o_O
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Nov 17 2005, 02:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 944 Joined: 19-February 03 Member No.: 4,128 |
You can think of your body and your spirit as roommates. Getting Cyberware is like your body constantly playing deathmetal polka, never bathing, leaving dishes in the sink, regular noisy nookie...
Eventually, your spirit gets fed up and moves out... Cybermancy is like handcuffing your spirit to the bathroom drainpipe while the body takes up necrophiliac bestiality. |
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Nov 17 2005, 03:19 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
It makes your body harder to heal with mundane medicine, too. Your Essence level also determines if a vampire regards you as a juicy 14-ounce steak or a partially-eaten piece of Slim Jim. |
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Nov 17 2005, 03:49 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 6-October 05 Member No.: 7,818 |
I believe the expression goes something like: at essence 0 you are "more machine now, than man: twisted and evil."
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Nov 17 2005, 04:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
Someone shoulda offered Anakin just a little more cyber so he could completely burn out. Woulda prevented a lotta trouble. :)
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Nov 17 2005, 04:20 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
He didn't need any powers to murder the lawful ruler of the Galaxy which was the only bad thing he ever did. Cyberzombies are prone to cancer but cancer can be treated. With the ammount of cash the Corp would have had to plop down just to make the cyberzombie it is going to get the best medical treatment possible. The real problem with cyberzombies is the tendency to get lost in the details and just die for no reason at all. |
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Nov 17 2005, 04:34 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Most nerons don't normally reproduce. However cancerous cells are, you know, abnormal. :) As well i believe that hippocampus neurons can replace, but i'm not certain about specifics there. But brain cancer usually doesn't start with a neron, but instead in the glial cells which actually make up about 90% of your brain. They are the support structure for nerons. |
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Nov 17 2005, 04:37 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
It's spelled "neuron," you mron. ;) |
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Nov 17 2005, 04:38 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
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Nov 17 2005, 08:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 3-November 05 From: KCMO Member No.: 7,922 |
I thought it mentioned somewhere that the less Essence you had, the less human you became, & the less attached to the (meta-)human race. I don't know if there's an actual page number for that or not. I think it's probably up to the gm. We're using it in our upcoming game. |
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Nov 17 2005, 09:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
You're pretty close to quoting the exact phrasing.
There are no hard game mechanics to reflect this flavor text, to my knowledge. One would think the best place to find it would be the social modifiers table (p122)... but nope. Closest thing is "Character/Subject is physically imposing in some way." Like (far too) many things in SR4, that flavor text's effectiveness is based solely upon GM discretion. |
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Nov 17 2005, 09:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
of course there were rules for essence and social interactions in sr3.
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Nov 18 2005, 01:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
I'd never force social penalties on someone just for having low essence. If someone gets a lot of cyber installed and has trouble relating to people, it's probably because they feel different and superior. Still, that's an RP decision for the player to make. I have no problem with someone going down to .01 essence and still relating to humanity at large.
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