 Contradictory Summoning and ritual rules |
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 Sep 11 2006, 01:03 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 6-September 02 Member No.: 3,234  |
The Enchanting section of SM (p. 81) cites ritual materials for ritual spellcasting as one possible product of alchemy, yet SR4 (p. 174), which the above quotes, amkes no reference whatsoever of ritual materials being necessary for ritual spellcasting, or their price.
What gives ? SR4 rules for sending spirits on remote service tell in one place that they do not count for the total limit of spirits (p. 178), and in another place (p. 179) that they can. Am I correct in interpreting this apparent contradiction as that *unbound* spirits sent on remote service do not count vs. the limit (as remote service frees them from further obligations), whereas bound ones do (as they can still have further services to offer) ? |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:05 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
the rule of thumb is that a later book overrides a earlier book if those two contradicts...
and that remote service contradiction have been debated atleast ones, do a search ;) |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
I don't think you can count a throw away reference like that as a "contradiction." It's a mistake. After all, we still don't have any prices for these ritual materials.
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Sep 11 2006, 02:12 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
That would be an 'oops.' |
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Sep 11 2006, 05:45 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Uh... no. That's just a "mistake". Page 179 is correct and page 178 is wrong. If you send an unbound spirit on a remote service, it should still count as your one unbound spirit. "Oops." -Frank |
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 Sep 11 2006, 06:00 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,662 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
IMHO, the only way to read these two parts is the following... (as posted on the other thread ;)) An unbound spirit sent on remote does not count against your limit of summoned spirits, so you can summon a new one. Any spirit on remote, however, counts against your bound spirit limit, so you cannot have unlimited ones, but only your Cha minus the spirits you have bound currently. While you have as many spirits bound as your Cha, you cannot send unbound spirits on remote, only bound spirits. This leads to a rule, that is not contradicted by either of the sentences in the book. As Frank Trollman pointed out in the other thread, this rule might change in an upcoming FAQ to prevent abuse with multiple spirits on remote, or in any other way (like specifying what counts as a remote service, or disallowing remote services from unbound spirits). Bye Thanee |
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Sep 11 2006, 06:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
I think either the Frank Trollman or Thanee interpretations are playable, but Frank's is better. Thanee's lets you still achieve bound spirit numbers at no time or cost to bind them by simply forgoing the extra services that only bound spirits can provide. Oh, and you do have to pay the drain of sequential summonings. Still, that's not such a bad deal.
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