The Enchanting section of SM (p. 81) cites ritual materials for ritual spellcasting as one possible product of alchemy, yet SR4 (p. 174), which the above quotes, amkes no reference whatsoever of ritual materials being necessary for ritual spellcasting, or their price.
What gives ?
SR4 rules for sending spirits on remote service tell in one place that they do not count for the total limit of spirits (p. 178), and in another place (p. 179) that they can. Am I correct in interpreting this apparent contradiction as that *unbound* spirits sent on remote service do not count vs. the limit (as remote service frees them from further obligations), whereas bound ones do (as they can still have further services to offer) ?
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the rule of thumb is that a later book overrides a earlier book if those two contradicts...
and that remote service contradiction have been debated atleast ones, do a search
and that remote service contradiction have been debated atleast ones, do a search
I don't think you can count a throw away reference like that as a "contradiction." It's a mistake. After all, we still don't have any prices for these ritual materials.
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| The Enchanting section of SM (p. 81) cites ritual materials for ritual spellcasting as one possible product of alchemy, yet SR4 (p. 174), which the above quotes, amkes no reference whatsoever of ritual materials being necessary for ritual spellcasting, or their price. What gives ? |
That would be an 'oops.'
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| SR4 rules for sending spirits on remote service tell in one place that they do not count for the total limit of spirits (p. 178), and in another place (p. 179) that they can. Am I correct in interpreting this apparent contradiction as that *unbound* spirits sent on remote service do not count vs. the limit (as remote service frees them from further obligations), whereas bound ones do (as they can still have further services to offer) ? |
Uh... no. That's just a "mistake". Page 179 is correct and page 178 is wrong. If you send an unbound spirit on a remote service, it should still count as your one unbound spirit.
"Oops."
-Frank
| QUOTE (Wanderer @ Sep 11 2006, 03:03 PM) |
| SR4 rules for sending spirits on remote service tell in one place that they do not count for the total limit of spirits (p. 178), and in another place (p. 179) that they can. Am I correct in interpreting this apparent contradiction as that *unbound* spirits sent on remote service do not count vs. the limit (as remote service frees them from further obligations), whereas bound ones do (as they can still have further services to offer) ? |
IMHO, the only way to read these two parts is the following... (as posted on the other thread
)An unbound spirit sent on remote does not count against your limit of summoned spirits, so you can summon a new one.
Any spirit on remote, however, counts against your bound spirit limit, so you cannot have unlimited ones, but only your Cha minus the spirits you have bound currently.
While you have as many spirits bound as your Cha, you cannot send unbound spirits on remote, only bound spirits.
This leads to a rule, that is not contradicted by either of the sentences in the book.
As Frank Trollman pointed out in the other thread, this rule might change in an upcoming FAQ to prevent abuse with multiple spirits on remote, or in any other way (like specifying what counts as a remote service, or disallowing remote services from unbound spirits).
Bye
Thanee
I think either the Frank Trollman or Thanee interpretations are playable, but Frank's is better. Thanee's lets you still achieve bound spirit numbers at no time or cost to bind them by simply forgoing the extra services that only bound spirits can provide. Oh, and you do have to pay the drain of sequential summonings. Still, that's not such a bad deal.
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