 Latent Awakening..., How to make your TM use even more Karma! |
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 Nov 19 2006, 12:15 AM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445  |
Ok, I just got my Street Magic book in today and I'm just reading though it to kill time on the weekend. I'm liking what I'm reading so far, it's good stuff. One thing I came across that interests me though is the Latent Awakening quality. In the first paragraph it rambles off that you cant have any magical ability at Char Gen and whatnot... What the hell, let me quote it...
Based off that, you can take a Technomancer, which is already a huge karma sink, and make it magically active during gameplay, thus making her the greatest karma sink in the entire universe! :vegm: And yes, I do know that you cant actually do that. It's just interesting that they left a legal loophole that a rules nazi can try and exploit... though I dont know why they would. :P |
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Nov 19 2006, 12:19 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
I thought it was an interesting idea. I've ran a game where a character awakened (female character during Hq'sB on the isle, seemed appropriate), and it was interesting watching her try to develop the character, especially since thecharacter had a ton of cyber, including a cyber arm.
Has anyone used this yet? Konsaki:I think there's a foot note in there directing the GM to ritually sacrifice anyone that suggests this to the DarkKing/Deus totem. |
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Nov 19 2006, 12:29 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
I agree with you that the quality is a grand RP tool on developing a character.
I was just poking some fun at making the greatest karma sink ever. :D For a second I actually belived you and looked in a few pages looking for that footnote, you kidder you. :P |
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Nov 19 2006, 12:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 870 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Athens Ga Member No.: 9,517 |
I don't understand. There isn't a loop hole here. It already says in the core book that you can't have both Resonance and magic. They don't need to restate this. On the latent awakening front I don't allow it. You can buy a point of magic and then say that it is latent but you can't just decide that your already powerful character suddenly develops magic. It seems like too much cheese for me. |
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Nov 19 2006, 12:36 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
Yet they make a point to restate it in the Spell/Spirit Knack and Astral Sight quality.
As for your not using it, thats your own thing. I personally think it would be a great way to bring a character back to life if it becomes stagnant or just to throw a monkey wrench into the mix. |
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Nov 19 2006, 12:47 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 668 Joined: 4-September 06 Member No.: 9,304 |
Way back when, I had a campaign arc that included Harly 2 module, and as a reward, one char who's backstory was that he was a mage, but got experimented on/turned into a 0.05 essence char, had all the cyberware flow out of his skin, replaced with brand new, as good as original, parts.
Char had all the skills and experience of a street sam, but now had to learn all the mage skills now. :D It was priceless to watch the player's face when several million worth of cyberware flowed out of his char. From creation, his char had complained and lamented about the loss if his magic. Before anyone jumps all over me for railroading a player, I did offer to have a "reality shift" happen, and he not lose his cyber. He declined. |
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Nov 19 2006, 12:50 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
That had to have been one happy player, Mist and it truly had to be a scene to behold for everyone involved. :D
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Nov 19 2006, 12:53 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Garrowolf: I think he's just toying with the idea that it isn't specifically stated.
it wouldn't apply because it states that it doesn't work (magic and resonance) in the corebook, like you pointed out. But they're usually pretty careful about reiterating, which I think is waht Konsaki was getting at.
I prefer monkey wrench myself. Sam Verner/Twist comes to mind
Who's kidding? That's what it says in my book. Bottom of the book. Maybe you got a later print? :D |
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Nov 19 2006, 01:15 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
is it handwritten, by any chance? :D |
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Nov 19 2006, 01:18 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
Either that or Fist has the 'Hallucinations' Neg Qual. :D
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Nov 19 2006, 01:21 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Check the descriptors of the Positive Qualities that Latent Awakening can lead to. They all state that someone with the Technomancer Quality cannot take them. But remember the thread where some of the official writers said that in roder to take Incompetence, there should be a possibility to take the skill? Now, there is a possibility for a Technomancer to take Incomp: Magical Skills and be justified, because it is a possibility that he may lose his Resonance and Awaken and actually find a use for those skills.
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Nov 19 2006, 04:06 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,458 Joined: 22-March 03 From: I am a figment of my own imagination. Member No.: 4,302 |
Which makes Latent Awakening a scarily cool contingency quality, especially if your games tend to be the really long term keep the same characters forever type... |
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Nov 19 2006, 10:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 18-April 03 From: The UV Nexus Member No.: 4,474 |
The RAW agrees with you!
The player doesn't get to choose if or when. It's a 5BP gamble. I'm glad that the RAW frowns on players thinking of ways to get me :rotfl: |
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Nov 19 2006, 10:17 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
It should not be, but now it is. With 35pts or Negative Qualiteis in Incompetent: Magical Skills and 5 points of Positive, if the GM chooses ANYTHING other than the 5BP Positives, he gains the excess BPs although he might not be able to use most of the abilities, if not, he does not lose anything.
Latent Awakening with Resonance + Incomp: Magic Skills is a get-bass-quick power boost. |
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Nov 19 2006, 10:29 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Unless the GM decides to Awaken the character and eliminate its Resonance as a result, thus rendering the character double-plus-useless. |
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Nov 19 2006, 10:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 18-April 03 From: The UV Nexus Member No.: 4,474 |
Who is this bass guy? So the GM fixes his bass by awakening him in the middle of a run. He loses his resonance, gains magic, and is suddenly a completely incompetent magician. |
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Nov 19 2006, 02:10 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
This will be corrected in the upcoming errata. The revised writeup will exclude Technomancers too. |
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Nov 19 2006, 02:12 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Not quite. Sure, the GM can do that. Just as the GM can have an space cow fall from the sky. But
So the PC's Resonance suppresses the Awakening, until such time that there is no Resonance Attribute. The GM could say that since he decides that the PC Awakens, the Magic Attribute that he chooses to give the PC (despite the ruels saying that the PC cannot have one) causes a Resonance loss. But from the letter of the rules, I would take it to mean that once you have a Resonance stat, you cannot get a Magic stat. To turn the example around, it would also mean that if you have a Magic stat, you cannot be "Resonanced".
Good to know. But shouldn't this have been caught before printing? |
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Nov 19 2006, 02:27 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Some people have already hinted around it, but if a TM in my group did take this edge, my thinking would be that the new magic rating replaces the resonance score.
Anyway, Since the erratta is gonna kill the hole it hardle matters. |
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Nov 19 2006, 02:34 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
The point was that by the letter of the rules, the Resonance Attribute and Technomancer Positive Quality suppresses the Magic Attribute and keeps the Latent Awakening latent. It even fits as an IC explanation. |
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Nov 19 2006, 02:45 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
what? they're getting rid of Technomancers? SUCCESS! |
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Nov 19 2006, 03:26 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
[Sends a sprite to mfb's commlink to corrupt his datafiles] :evil:
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Nov 19 2006, 04:14 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Nah. Little chance of that, especially after we've just written a campaign/setting book around technomancers (and a few other surprises) and are giving them a fair slice of Unwired. :P |
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Nov 19 2006, 04:28 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
Information just wants to be free... Please share more, Synner. :( |
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Nov 19 2006, 04:56 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Is the new module Entitles "The Wesley Crusher adventure book"?
it probably should be if it is about TMs |
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