 Inormation guided sniping, I know its in there somewhere (arsenal I think) |
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 Feb 18 2011, 08:56 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 490 Joined: 29-August 06 From: Texas Member No.: 9,245  |
I have a player that wants to use drones as spotters, what gear/ cyberware does he need? What are the rules for doing this ect?
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Feb 18 2011, 09:10 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Kronk2 @ Feb 18 2011, 01:56 PM)  I have a player that wants to use drones as spotters, what gear/ cyberware does he need? What are the rules for doing this ect? Information Guided Indirect Fire is in Arsenal, Section Titled "More Ways to Die," Page 162. |
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Feb 18 2011, 09:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 490 Joined: 29-August 06 From: Texas Member No.: 9,245 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 18 2011, 05:10 PM) Information Guided Indirect Fire is in Arsenal, Section Titled "More Ways to Die," Page 162. THANKS!!! No changes to this in War! right? |
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Feb 18 2011, 09:39 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Kronk2 @ Feb 18 2011, 02:29 PM) THANKS!!! No changes to this in War! right? Not that I am aware of. I do not have access to War! at work... |
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Feb 18 2011, 09:55 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
The only thing about indirect fire in War! is the flight time of the shells
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Feb 18 2011, 10:01 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,328 Joined: 2-April 07 From: The Center of the Universe Member No.: 11,360 |
All he'd need is an MCT flyspy with a laser range finder/designator, a mortar with either GPS guidance (don't need to worry about the weather) or lase guidance (don't need to worry about jamming), and he is in business. Also a commlink so the two can communicate.
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Feb 18 2011, 10:26 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Feb 18 2011, 03:01 PM) All he'd need is an MCT flyspy with a laser range finder/designator, a mortar with either GPS guidance (don't need to worry about the weather) or lase guidance (don't need to worry about jamming), and he is in business. Also a commlink so the two can communicate. Except that the Character wants to be a Sniper, not a Mortarman... But the specifics remain the same (for the most part)... a fly spy or 3, and communications between them and the Shooter... Bonuses for an operable Tacnet, in my opinion... |
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Feb 18 2011, 10:55 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I disagree. If he wants to be a sniper, he wouldn't be info-guiding. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So, he can use a rifle, but it's the same thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
The Tacnet is what lets you do this at all, really. But there's a penalty, so nothing necessarily wrong with the Tacnet countering it a bit. |
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Feb 18 2011, 11:01 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
I'd also suggest a secondary retransmission unit for the Flyspies, rather than using the local Matrix Lines. Adds an extra layer of security. There's some easily affordable and disposable ones in "This Old Drone" that can easily be modified/upgraded to exactly what you need and won't get a second blink if you set it up right. (Hint: Advertisement Blimp Drone.). In fact, if you have the budget for it, buy two.
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Feb 18 2011, 11:45 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 18 2011, 04:01 PM) I'd also suggest a secondary retransmission unit for the Flyspies, rather than using the local Matrix Lines. Adds an extra layer of security. There's some easily affordable and disposable ones in "This Old Drone" that can easily be modified/upgraded to exactly what you need and won't get a second blink if you set it up right. (Hint: Advertisement Blimp Drone.). In fact, if you have the budget for it, buy two. No Doubt... I love me some old drones... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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Feb 19 2011, 12:04 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 18 2011, 06:01 PM) I'd also suggest a secondary retransmission unit for the Flyspies, rather than using the local Matrix Lines. Laser Link daisy chains. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) -k |
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Feb 19 2011, 12:30 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 18 2011, 07:45 PM) No Doubt... I love me some old drones... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) One of my best PDF Purchases. Too bad the stats were all screwed up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Feb 18 2011, 08:04 PM) Exactly. But use only one or two removes. Less chance of the Demon Murphy coming along to smack you at a critical time. |
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Feb 19 2011, 12:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 16-March 05 From: 51° 16' North 7° 11' East Member No.: 7,168 |
QUOTE (Kronk2 @ Feb 18 2011, 09:56 PM) I have a player that wants to use drones as spotters, what gear/ cyberware does he need? He could go the TM way with some specialized Complex Forms: Smartlink, Tacnet, Resonance Encryption, ECCM, Command, Edit... And it would be nice to have the Skinlink Echo. At the beginning he would have to rely on spotter drones, but with some karma he would be able to seize control of any suitable sensor. |
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Feb 21 2011, 02:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 490 Joined: 29-August 06 From: Texas Member No.: 9,245 |
Quick summation of bonuses and penalties available:
Scenario: Sniper is in a hide and there is a small building between himself and his target, he does not have direct line of sight but his spotter drones do. Assume a personalized rifle longarms (Rifles) 4(6) with a rating 4 tacnet and smartlink so that is 13 dice + his agility of at least 4 so 17 dice to attack at base. Base modifier of -4 for target in good cover (not a blind fire because he can "see" the target) lets be cautious and assume that he is firing from cover (another -1) so net penalties of -5 so far (excluding range). Add in the hits from the lock on and targeting from the drones to the attack test here or which? |
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Feb 21 2011, 06:21 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,083 Joined: 13-December 10 From: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Member No.: 19,228 |
I'm curious as to how you imagine indirect fire with a rifle working. Bullet drop isn't that much, to be able to "avoid" obstacles, forget arc firing or purposeful ricochets, shooting through barriers might work.
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Feb 21 2011, 07:15 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
The bullet is direct, the firing isn't. Anything in the way is definitely in the way, of course.
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Feb 21 2011, 07:21 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Probably shooting through a building (Ala Golgo 13). Or, perhaps a "Planned Ricochet" if he's got a high physics and ballistics knowledge skills and a Math SPU going for him.
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Feb 21 2011, 07:38 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Ha, that's more than a bit of a stretch.
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Feb 21 2011, 08:32 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
Planned Ricochet sounds more like a (barely) Coincidental Entropy/Correspondence/Forces thing from Mage than something that could work in SR.
Maybe having spotter drones could allow you to get an early start Aiming even before the target emerges from cover. Since you already know where he is, but you're just waiting for him to walk around the corner. |
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Feb 21 2011, 01:54 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
As sad as the movie was, I belive the movie "Wanted" has such a scene where the Sniper was shooting out of direct LOS, though the Line of Effect was unbroken. Horrible movie, but an interesting scene nonetheless.
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Feb 21 2011, 04:38 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 21 2011, 09:54 AM) As sad as the movie was, I belive the movie "Wanted" has such a scene where the Sniper was shooting out of direct LOS, though the Line of Effect was unbroken. Horrible movie, but an interesting scene nonetheless. There was a slightly better one that I remember where they were after a gambler who was being hunted so he could be harvested for his organs, and hunted by different teams of assassins... I can't recall it's name right now, but one of the teams was a CQB expert and her Anti-Material Rifle-wielding Sniper lover. There was also the punks, which I loved. |
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Feb 21 2011, 05:00 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 21 2011, 09:38 AM) There was a slightly better one that I remember where they were after a gambler who was being hunted so he could be harvested for his organs, and hunted by different teams of assassins... I can't recall it's name right now, but one of the teams was a CQB expert and her Anti-Material Rifle-wielding Sniper lover. There was also the punks, which I loved. Sounds better than "Wanted"... Might have to look for it... |
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Feb 21 2011, 05:05 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,817 Joined: 29-July 07 From: Delft, the Netherlands Member No.: 12,403 |
Smokin Aces! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Feb 21 2011, 05:28 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Kliko @ Feb 21 2011, 10:05 AM) Smokin Aces! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Thanks, will look into it... |
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Feb 21 2011, 06:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,817 Joined: 29-July 07 From: Delft, the Netherlands Member No.: 12,403 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 21 2011, 01:28 PM) Thanks, will look into it... Its an entertaining movie really, they even made a sequel (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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