I have a player that wants to use drones as spotters, what gear/ cyberware does he need? What are the rules for doing this ect?

Information Guided Indirect Fire is in Arsenal, Section Titled "More Ways to Die," Page 162.

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No changes to this in War! right?

Not that I am aware of. I do not have access to War! at work...

The only thing about indirect fire in War! is the flight time of the shells

All he'd need is an MCT flyspy with a laser range finder/designator, a mortar with either GPS guidance (don't need to worry about the weather) or lase guidance (don't need to worry about jamming), and he is in business. Also a commlink so the two can communicate.

Except that the Character wants to be a Sniper, not a Mortarman... But the specifics remain the same (for the most part)... a fly spy or 3, and communications between them and the Shooter... Bonuses for an operable Tacnet, in my opinion...

I disagree. If he wants to be a sniper, he wouldn't be info-guiding. So, he can use a rifle, but it's the same thing.

The Tacnet is what lets you do this at all, really. But there's a penalty, so nothing necessarily wrong with the Tacnet countering it a bit.

I'd also suggest a secondary retransmission unit for the Flyspies, rather than using the local Matrix Lines. Adds an extra layer of security. There's some easily affordable and disposable ones in "This Old Drone" that can easily be modified/upgraded to exactly what you need and won't get a second blink if you set it up right. (Hint: Advertisement Blimp Drone.). In fact, if you have the budget for it, buy two.

No Doubt... I love me some old drones...

Laser Link daisy chains.





-k

One of my best PDF Purchases. Too bad the stats were all screwed up.


Exactly. But use only one or two removes. Less chance of the Demon Murphy coming along to smack you at a critical time.

He could go the TM way with some specialized Complex Forms: Smartlink, Tacnet, Resonance Encryption, ECCM, Command, Edit... And it would be nice to have the Skinlink Echo. At the beginning he would have to rely on spotter drones, but with some karma he would be able to seize control of any suitable sensor.

Quick summation of bonuses and penalties available:
Scenario: Sniper is in a hide and there is a small building between himself and his target, he does not have direct line of sight but his spotter drones do. Assume a personalized rifle longarms (Rifles) 4(6) with a rating 4 tacnet and smartlink so that is 13 dice + his agility of at least 4 so 17 dice to attack at base. Base modifier of -4 for target in good cover (not a blind fire because he can "see" the target) lets be cautious and assume that he is firing from cover (another -1) so net penalties of -5 so far (excluding range).

Add in the hits from the lock on and targeting from the drones to the attack test here or which?

I'm curious as to how you imagine indirect fire with a rifle working. Bullet drop isn't that much, to be able to "avoid" obstacles, forget arc firing or purposeful ricochets, shooting through barriers might work.

The bullet is direct, the firing isn't. Anything in the way is definitely in the way, of course.

Probably shooting through a building (Ala Golgo 13). Or, perhaps a "Planned Ricochet" if he's got a high physics and ballistics knowledge skills and a Math SPU going for him.

Ha, that's more than a bit of a stretch.

Planned Ricochet sounds more like a (barely) Coincidental Entropy/Correspondence/Forces thing from Mage than something that could work in SR.

Maybe having spotter drones could allow you to get an early start Aiming even before the target emerges from cover. Since you already know where he is, but you're just waiting for him to walk around the corner.

As sad as the movie was, I belive the movie "Wanted" has such a scene where the Sniper was shooting out of direct LOS, though the Line of Effect was unbroken. Horrible movie, but an interesting scene nonetheless.

There was a slightly better one that I remember where they were after a gambler who was being hunted so he could be harvested for his organs, and hunted by different teams of assassins...

I can't recall it's name right now, but one of the teams was a CQB expert and her Anti-Material Rifle-wielding Sniper lover. There was also the punks, which I loved.

Sounds better than "Wanted"... Might have to look for it...

Smokin Aces!

Thanks, will look into it...

Its an entertaining movie really, they even made a sequel

This one?



-k

That is a good one too, but I was referring to the scene at the beginning of the movie that opened it all up.

That's the one, thanks! Brain fart moment from posting while tired.

I actually thinking more in line with David Webber's In Fury Born

Mostly considering breaching walls near/though the target.

If you're looking for alternatives to sniping, I've heard about tricks that some forces use by putting placed charges behind walls that have heavy appliances.

A fridge flying around a kitchen in various pieces can be quite lethal. Especially if it's one of the industrial Stainless Steel ones!

Double posting because I'm overtired, apparently.

Hmmmn.

I wonder if I can stat the combined alicia entity in shadowrun.

I rather enjoyed that book. The main character is ridiculous, but its a fun read.

She is pretty ridiculous even before she combines with the Fury.

I don't know. A high-powered hunting rifle to get her hands on some actual combat-capable weapons seems just in line with her training.

Don't forget, a lot of "Hunting Rifles" used by folks used to be Military Rifles a few generations ago. (At least, in Canada that's true. SMLEs and Kar 98Ks.).

Heck Thats basically what our Marines were using, modified hunting rifles.

More looking at breaching with bullets than explosives.

Which is more what we are thinking. After the fury it wouldn;t be THAT hard, its just a spirit pact.

Go earlier than that. A number of US Military units used Hunting Rifles against the British Smoothbores when they separated.

Bloody Seps.

Thats a new one to me. Nasty on 2 levels, separatists and as in sepsis, implying that the Revolution was an infection needing to be rooted out. Touche sir indeed.

Its much more than that, I feel.

Tisi, i believe, would be an Inhabitation Free spirit with Hidden Life, using the optional rule/gm tweak that lets inhabitation spirits not kill/subsume their host's spirit. Instead, a distinct personality that lives in her head, and can occasionally(or forcibly) take control.

as a Flesh Form, she's able to use DNI and access their hosts implants, which fits with her later feats.

Hidden life is so she survives when her host dies. She's done this toquite a few mortals over the years, after all.

Not mine. British slang for a USAer, from my understanding. Still sometimes used apparently, but no longer with the vitriol it once had.

I use it today as a semi-joke, and as a warning to my fellow Canadians that we have our own Separatist problem that still exists. *Shakes Head*

Personally, I have quite a bit of respect for the US Founding Fathers in a lot of ways. Still bloody separatists, but I respect them nonetheless.

Yah down here in TX we have our own separatist problems too. A small but annoying minority.

Let's see... There's Quebec, but that's infamous and has a terrorist cell backing it (The FLQ.).

The Ontario Separatist party, but that's actually loyal to Canada, Northern Ontario just wants to separate from Southern Ontario. "Hell, if you make Toronto a City-State all on it's own, we'd be happy." Coming from Northern Ontario, I'm a firm supporter of them.

The BC Separatist party is picking up steam, but I can't blame them. Maybe if Marijuana is legalized and their second-major export can be taxed they'll get better support from the Federal Government.

Alberta is pretty much running itself, but there's mutterings there.

The Maritimes are voicing a bit here and there, but isn't anything major. The shipyards being shut down in that area really put a bit hit on the area.

Newfoundland is facing some serious problems, but hasn't made any major strides, but I could see it happening sometime soon if things aren't put into check.

Manitoba had the Red River Rebellion awhile back, but that got Louis Riel a seat in Parliament despite the death sentence on his head, so... He had the balls to sign the register once despite that, according to legend.

Wow, I never realized how messed up and whiny Canadians are. Sorry.

OK, I've taken us off topic enough, back to shooting through schools.

The same guy who is doing the sniping has a drone that he wants to mount a mingun on. Do drones need to worry about recoil?

Normally, No, but there is an optional rule that Gives vehicles RC equal to their Body Stat.

Is there any reason a drone can't have a body of 5? That is essentially the size of a seadoo with wheels.

There are no stock drones with that, and most vehicles fall either to 4 or 6 (who knows why). Just use a vehicle, I guess.

The reason there are no drones 5+ is possibly because they'd be too large to use indoors.

With the right hardware and software, a vehicle is just a big drone anyhow.

One with passenger space!

well I am thinking that it really would be about the size of a sea doo, and would get a penalty indoors but in open terrain it would be fine.