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 Aug 27 2005, 06:32 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 188 Joined: 26-August 05 Member No.: 7,622  |
Does anyone else feel like the history wasn't as in depth as SR3?
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Aug 27 2005, 07:09 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
It is covered in roughly the same number of pages. But they have nearly 15 more years to cover than SR3 did. |
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Aug 27 2005, 07:13 PM
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Karma Police Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,358 Joined: 22-July 04 From: Gothenburg, SE Member No.: 6,505 |
Wasn´t there something said about this in the Gencon keynote? I seem to remember Rob saying they would not write a history lesson like before, but instead have a subjective report. Is that right?
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Aug 27 2005, 07:58 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
The PDF extract at the FanPro page was written in a subjective, in-game perspective, yes.
But in that childish anarchist style i strongly dislike. :S |
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Aug 27 2005, 08:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 297 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 248 |
The german one? Yeah, didn't liked it myself. It was somewhat... unfitting. |
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Aug 27 2005, 08:21 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Keep in mind though, that most of the german .pdf-published material is (basically) fan-work...
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Aug 27 2005, 08:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 297 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 248 |
This one wasn't. It was an excerpt of the translation of System Failure. |
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Aug 27 2005, 08:51 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Sure, possible... my guess is, that Jens (Ullrich?) did not translate System Failure, but wrote this german perspective of things as the usual .01D-addon for Systemausfall - so, if we are lucky, we won't find this text in the english version. ;)
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Aug 27 2005, 09:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 188 Joined: 26-August 05 Member No.: 7,622 |
While I enjoyed the personal view point in the history, the whole history section seemed rushed in comparison to prior versions. And it is the history fluff that really adds to the storyline in the game. This makes running the game far more easier. I also did not like the paper being glossy. The reflective nature of the paper in SR4 gives me a headache.
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Aug 29 2005, 06:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
Hey! I'm not the only one! :cyber:
Actually we germans like our .01D addons. At least most of them. :grinbig: |
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Aug 29 2005, 08:45 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Uh... let's say 'some'.
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Aug 29 2005, 10:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 297 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 248 |
Yeah. I abhore most of the german changes. That's why i stick mostly to the english sourcebooks. I hope that those additions get better with SR4.
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Aug 29 2005, 10:30 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Uhm. No. I don't like it. Not even the german-only stuff at Cyberpirates. And thinking of DidS2 or B:ADL... uah... :S Wait until hermit finds this thread :D |
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Aug 29 2005, 11:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
:eek: Don't mention them. Especially not the first one. :( |
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Aug 29 2005, 11:34 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
What? Do you dislike Berlin? :D
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Aug 29 2005, 11:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 297 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 248 |
Living there, i especially disliked this one. I liked the version in the first DidS, though.
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Aug 29 2005, 11:49 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
Worst thing was the description of the seat of the ADL government on the island Wilhelmsstein in the Steinhuder Meer. Has someone else besides me been there? It's damn small. And a harbor for submarines on that island is just ridiculous. I'm still wondering why there is no description of the city of Hannover anywhere.
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Aug 29 2005, 12:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
I was pissed that there's no mentioning of Braunschweig anywhere (it's not even on the AGS map!). Today Lower Saxony's second biggest city (meaning one of the biggest cities of the North German League in 2060), seat of several federal agencies and institutions... |
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Aug 29 2005, 12:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
Who on earth could be interested in reading anything about Braunschweig??
Think we are off topic a small bit. Greetings from Hannover. |
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Aug 29 2005, 01:44 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Somewhat. But alas, we're used to that. I just so wish they nuke the remainders of anarchist Berlin to hell and back. Kill'em all. Gas'em. Make Ghouls eat them. Make them all into Shedim. Whatever. Just do away with them.
Ah, come on! I was actually pissed t see how many pages were wasted in DidS2 on "Shadows of Frankfurt/Oder" and other minor cities. What are the Americans supposed to say? There're entire STATES of the UCAS that have never been covered! I mean, anyone EVER had any Shadows Of article about Newhaven, or Tampa, or Jacksonville, or Austin, Fargo, Bismarck ... a SB is more to provide a general overview. You can always fill in the blanks yourself. I mean, it's your city, you know about it. Odds are you'd have been pissed at what it had been made into anyway.
Well, coming from Berlin (and having recently been to Hannover) I wonder how any government would fit into there anyway ... ;) Gretings from the *real* capital. :D |
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Aug 29 2005, 01:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 297 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 248 |
:rotfl: |
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Aug 29 2005, 02:54 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
A new facist/police-state dictatorship would be my wish for the AGS (and please note, not irl :) ). Sometimes history repeats itself. :) all those damn 15-year-old-rich-kid-anarchist would have been wiped out. :) |
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Aug 29 2005, 03:02 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
There are few points in dictatorship when one can have 'democracy' - one can always shed a good part of responsibility to the people if they complain... as it was basically their 'free' decision which screwed them, while manipulating them in the desired ways. ;)
So far, this is exactly where whole Europe seems to head, too... in SR, I mean *cough*. :| |
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Aug 31 2005, 10:43 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Yup, yup. With SR's philosophy of "history rhymes" and it's tendency to use (some would say abuse) local legends, this would be very likely. And come on, that would be something everyone could relate to (especialyl the americans). I mean, for so many people, Germany and dictatorial often is almost synonymous. And seeing as how Sr used many such cliches (monarchist French, business-savvy Portuguese, the Vatican-fixed Italians, Venice and it's Doge, fundamentalist Arabs ...), I really don't see why Germany cannot become a Fourth Reich. It could even make use of local legends. Barbarossa comes to mind. Herman the Cerusk. Whatever. Maybe a new Bismarck rises from a dreadful war sparked by the events in SF (Germany has a long tradition of golden ages being sparked by dreadful wars it usually loses). I'm just afraid the FanPro team is a tad too attached to their smurf fiefdoms and pixie states and oddbal pubertarian anarchist dreams to make this happen. And too much on the 'progressive left' side to use old legends.
Get your courage together, get yourself a WASG/PDS brochure (and a copy of Neues Deutschland), and read. There're plenty of reasons. The people need guidance. The people cannot be trusted to make right decisions (ask Pat Robertson, or Jürgen Trittin, especially him, he's an old-school Maoist after all), and all the socialist romanticism. More than plenty. ... and in case you're not German, I'll gladly supply links. ;) |
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Sep 1 2005, 07:11 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Somehow i knew we would agree here ;)
I'm a left-wing guy myself, but one has to make a difference between real and game world. |
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