 Questions on Drones, Autosoft and OS |
 Sep 26 2005, 08:26 AM
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Hello
My first questions is about autosofts. Do I need to buy them once and do they run on my Commlink, so all Drones can use them? OR Does each Drone needs his own Autosoft (e.g.: I have Clearsight for each one seperatly...)? If so, do I need to buy it once (and then copy it) OR for each drone seperatly OR perhaps for each different size-class of drones (idea is: a microdrone does not have that much RAM as a large drone, so the Autosoft has to be programmed differently) Second question is on OS: Each drone has device rating 3. So they have Respons=Signal=Firewall=System=3 (p.213 device rating, first paragraph, last sentence) On the other hand it says Pilot = System, which in the case of the core rulebook means each drone has System 3 (perfect match to device rating). When I now want to update this stats (e.g. Response to 4) I need to buy Response 4 for 2000 Nuyen and can't upgrade buy buying 1 Point Response, right? Third: If i want a nice commlink (same as the sample drone rigger) with "device rating of 5", do I need to buy an expencive Transys Avalon (Resp4/Sign4 - 5000Nuy) and than modify it to Rating 5 OR can I just by a simple Meta Link (Resp1/Sign2 - 100Nuy) and then modify this.... Same to OS? Thanks for your help Mike |
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Sep 26 2005, 11:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,984 |
Each Pilot for a drone needs their own Autosoft.
You could buy one for each (which is what you would have to do at chargen) or: you could program your own or break the copy protection on a bought copy and then upload it to each of your Pilots. |
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Sep 26 2005, 02:47 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 26-September 05 Member No.: 7,779 |
Why does the sample rigger then only have one Autosoft of each type? For the 4 drones with guns he owns, he should then have 4 times targeting, 4xClearsight,...
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Sep 26 2005, 03:01 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Well in 3rd edition, you could load the software on your RC deck and broadcast it to your drone network, however should get jammed and the drone go on autopilot, they are without the software.
I imagine this hasn't changed, you can load it into your commlink and they all share from your signal bounty until jammed or each get's their own copy. |
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Sep 26 2005, 03:02 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Because he is a unholy software pirate and just copies them to whatever drone he needs them to be. |
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Sep 27 2005, 03:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 199 Joined: 11-September 05 Member No.: 7,729 |
That's the most likely explaination. With as relatively quick and simple as the cracking test is, our GM just went ahead and houseruled that pretty much any software your runner has at chargen is can be assumed to be cracked, unless you make a note of it otherwise. With most runners being no-good criminals, it's a good bet that big-ticket legal purchases (like the several hundred to thousands of nuyen for software) will be avoided whenever possible. If you're rolling with a fake SIN, you're going to use it sparingly to prevent one of those embarrassing, "I'm sorry, the computer says you don't exist" moments when you just wanted to get a copy of Unrealistic Tournament Fighters 8. And if you don't have a SIN at all, you're not likely to easily convince the counter-jockey down at the StarterMart software department to accept that much cash. So you're going to hit the corner warez dealers and the like for most of your needs. And it's not like the char just woke up one morning, said "I'm gonna be a shadowrunner from now on," and headed down to StarterMart to pick up 30k worth of hacking programs and a new commlink after they loaded up on EX ammo. They've had most of their gear for a while, and/or accumulated it piecemeal - plenty of time to get their software cracked (and double-checked to see that the Cracker didn't leave you a nasty surprise) for all their uploading needs. For that matter, most of the archs who're software-reliant would probably have done the job themselves - it's not as if they go on runs 24/7. |
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Sep 27 2005, 12:22 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 26-September 05 Member No.: 7,779 |
So (at Char-Gen) I only need to buy every Programm once, assume it is cracked and install it on every drone I own, right?
Whats up with System and Firewall then? Do I have to buy them only once too and then assume they are cracked and install them on all drones I have? |
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Sep 27 2005, 12:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,896 |
That's a good question... are OS programs considered to be cracked just like regular programs? I don't see why not but... what do you guys think?
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Sep 27 2005, 02:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
I don't presume to say how it should work, but Agents say they can be loaded with a copy of the Hackers programs and Pilots work like Agents. Since cracking is not mentioned as a pre-req it is not, IMO, clear that Agents cannot share programs they are 'loaded' with.
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Sep 27 2005, 03:45 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Software can be cracked - System/Firewall/Pilot/Agent/IC is software... happy cracking. :grinbig:
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Sep 27 2005, 03:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,569 |
It says in the book that you can freely share any program you have with your agents. I'm assuming the same applies to drones.
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Sep 28 2005, 10:33 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 26-September 05 Member No.: 7,779 |
So I buy Clearsight 5 once and give it to all my drones?
Does firewall count as program too for that reasons? Do i only need to buy a firewall 5 and then I can equip all my drones with that firewall? Mike |
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Sep 28 2005, 11:23 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Autosofts are capped at 4, Firewall is no Program, nor limited by Response.
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Sep 28 2005, 11:37 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 26-September 05 Member No.: 7,779 |
So I still need to buy a firewall for each drone seperatly? Can't crack the firewall?
And why is autosoft (as a program) capped at 4? Mike |
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Sep 28 2005, 11:38 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Sure you can.
Why? Same reason why Activesofts are capped at 4 - it's written in the rules. |
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Sep 28 2005, 01:45 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
You only need a seperate firewall for Drones if you'll be unsubscribing them. Subscribed drones are in your PAN and use your PAN's firewall. |
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Sep 28 2005, 02:26 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Baaad idea - spoofing Commands works either way.
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Sep 28 2005, 02:27 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Hrmm, spoofing commands to the touchlink to simulate an acetalyne torch to the eyeball...
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Sep 28 2005, 03:22 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
You obviously have a thought there, but I didnt catch it. Could you explain what you meant by the quoted text above? (Brain dead this morning and missing your point, sorry!) |
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Sep 28 2005, 03:41 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Once somebody gets hold of your Access ID, he may send Commands to your Drones as if he was you - this is resisted with the Firewall of the Drone, too.
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Sep 28 2005, 04:06 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
If the drone is in my PAN would a Spoof Command test be opposed by the PAN's firewall?
Here's why I ask... the drone could be hacked directly since it has a Signal rating and is a Node, but its node is inside my PAN so its inside my firewall. My firewall therefore defends it making a second firewall sort of unnecessary. Am I missing something here? |
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Sep 28 2005, 04:08 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Point is - if it is spoofed correctly, your Drone thinks that Order came from your PAN... it's the firewall of the Drone that matters.
Usually, this is no issue as most things in your PAN extend about 3m in Signal. |
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Sep 28 2005, 04:10 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Which is why i splurged and upgraded not only the firewall of my drone and motorcycle, I also upgraded the system and pilot for the motorcycle and loaded an EW autosoft into my drone.
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Sep 28 2005, 04:17 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
I don't see how the Drone inside the commlink's firewall (PAN) would not look for a forged signal incoming... thats what firewalls *DO*. If someone spoofs it has to go through the PANs firewall unless perhaps they are inside the PAN after a successful login operation and regardless of the real or forged AccessID the spoofed command gets scanned by the PANs firewall 'cause thats what the firewall does. After all, when something is subscribed the two access IDs are 'trusting' each other but the firewall makes sure the traffic between them is legit kinda like a VPN IRL. |
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Sep 28 2005, 06:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,896 |
And Firewall and Response are considered some sort of hardware rather than software, right, meaning you can't just copy it from one device to another like you do with other programs (System, Attack, etc.)?
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