Rigging without control rig, what's it get you Options

[Xeros]

Let's say you "jump in" to a drone, or a rigger equipped car, but you have no control rig. What does this gain you? Near as I can figure, you will use your command prgram rating instead of the pilot rating of the drone, which *might* be an improvement (depending on how good your program is, and how good the drone brain is). Drones already get 2 extra initiative passes, so no gain there. You do get the option I suppose of more spontaneous decision making, rather than relying on the AI, but for a car (where a drone brain isn't even relevant), you basically use command rating instead of your attribute (reaction, intuition...whatever is called for). Again, that *might* be an improvement for some, but it may not be. If a hacker has reaction 4, and a command 4 program, does he gain anything for jumping in to his Eurocar?

[BlackHat]

As I understand it...

With a control rig, you can "jump into" the car... which overrides the drone's dog-brain, and lets you control the vehicle as if it were your own body.

Without one, you can command the drone, by sending commands to the drone, and letting it carry them out.... but this relies on the dog-brain, and you don't actually make a roll to send the commands (except, eprhaps, to check if the drone understood them correctly).

I know that you can use a command program to command some things (camera, drones, vending machies, etc) but I don't beleive that the higher-rating command programs actually improve the devices ability to do its job - possibly just improving your ability to get the command across (or convince the node you are on to allow you to command the device, if you're hacking your way in and not using a real account with command privilages).

I could be wrong about this, and don't have my book with me - but I am pretty sure the command program (at higher ratings) is useful only when operating on someone else's system.

[Jaid]

command rating replaces the drone's pilot when remote controlling it, not rigging it.

you do not need a control rig to jump into a vehicle. it is contradicted in a couple of places, but it says you don't need one more often than it says you do, iirc.

when rigging a vehicle (jumped into it) you use your own attributes. a control rig gives you +2 dice to all actions taken.

[Xeros]

Which does not really elaborate on what you gain by doing it. When driving the vehicle mundanely, you use your own attributes. I think you use command when jumped in, but maybe not. If not, my question applies more so...what's the point?

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[Xeros]

So we're back to not being certain what the command program is even used for. Gah!

and as to
"-1 Threshhold for the vehicle actions for being in VR is the one universal advantage."
I still haven't found that in the book.

edit: ok, I found the part where it confirms that remotely controlling a drone uses command program as the relevant attribute. So it's only useful if it's already higher than the pilot rating, and apparently not useful at all if I am jumped into a car. So it remains to determine why would I ever jump into the car, unless the above quote is true, I just can't find the reference. However, command program doesn't enter into it.

[BlackHat]

there is a rule that full-VR mode gives you -1 threshhold to all matrix tests... but it is in debate whetehr driving a vehicle in full VR mode counts as a matrix test or not.

[BlackHat]

Also, you would jump int othe car if you were good at driving cars (had a high drive skill).
[Dice pool = Reaction + Drive skill (+2 with control rig)]
Otherwise, command the drone, which is already good at driving itself (and possibly has maneuver autosoft to add to the pool).
[Dice pool = pilot (or command?) + maneuver autosoft]

ACtually, on second thought, I'm not sure... with command program you might have
[Dice Pool = Command program + Drive Skill] since you're sort of remote-controling the car, and not letting the drone do the driving.

[Xeros]

Um...it's +2 dice, not -1 threshold for hot sim. Cold sim does nothing but give you better initiative....or have I missed something?

And yeah, I suppose we could discuss whether rigging a car is a matrix action, but you could argue your doing VR inside the matrix of the car itself. If you were though, I am suprised you are not bound to the sensor limitations of the vehicle.

[BlackHat]

The argument comes from a table, in the matrix section, which lists "matrix actions", and driving vehicles isn't on it... those are listed in a different section on vehicles and rigging.

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[Teulisch]

well.... the rigger needs a high reaction, high piloting skill, gunnery, and thats it. You can be a rigger with no ware, if you use trodes. cyber gives you a +2, and can boost your reaction. but the cyber is no longer mandatory to doing the job.

so a rigger can get 5(7) reaction, skill 5 in to things, +2 for specialization, +2 for cyberware, +1 dice or -1 threshold, and smartlink his gunnery. 16 dice to throw at a test, with the threshold lowered by one, you could just buy successes and hit a threshold 5 with ease.

having 2 to 4 times as many dice lets you do crazy stuff. a rigger that good should not have to worry about most driving tests. but then theres poor visibility, rain, offroad, and damaged vehicles- thats when you need the rigger to stay alive.

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