 Bearding the Dwarf, Why do Dwarfs have beards? |
 Mar 23 2007, 04:38 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 29-December 06 Member No.: 10,483  |
One quick question. I know that often time dwarfs are shown as having beards in Shadowrun. Other than dwarfs being dwarfs does anyone ever give a reason they don't just shave? I mean does the beard just grow too fast? I only ask because it seems if I looked like a stereotypical dwarf the last thing I would want is a garden gnome look to add to it.
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Mar 23 2007, 04:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
Dwarves have far to broad shoulders to look like garden gnomes. They also lack the pointy hats.
As to the main question, The Dwarves of shadowrun trace there origin back tolken's work. And in the Lord of the Rings dwarves have all have beards. |
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Mar 23 2007, 04:50 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749 |
I'd imagine that dwarves beards do in fact grow at an accelerated rate when compared to humans.
The main reason dwarves usually have beards, however, is probally because it's expected of them. Beardless dwarves look wierd and you get a whole bunch of questions from the big folk about why you shaved off your beard and what not. It's far more simple just to live a sterotype then fight it. However, it should be noted that by no means all dwarves are bearded, it's just the most common look for them. |
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Mar 23 2007, 04:57 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
yeah, none of the dwarfs I have--NPCs and PCs--wear beards; one of them had his beard hair follicles surgically removed because he was so sick of shaving all the time. |
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Mar 23 2007, 07:45 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: 28-August 03 Member No.: 5,551 |
You could say that dwarfs have coarser hair than elves and humans, and on top of that there seems to be a tendency for dwarfs to be workaholics and regular shaving is simply more time consuming than keeping a beard. Other than that, it's probably a combination of stereotype, social pressure, and out-of-game expectations that build so many SR dwarfs in that mold.
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Mar 23 2007, 09:27 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Twin Cities, MN Member No.: 11,205 |
Actually, beardless dwarves have been pictured in some of the older SR books. I'm fairly certain one of the Contacts books for either SR2 or SR3 pictured a couple beardless dwarves in the art.
And you're right... they look weird. :D |
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Mar 23 2007, 09:31 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Arthur Vogel doesn't have a beard.
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Mar 23 2007, 09:36 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Twin Cities, MN Member No.: 11,205 |
That's where I remember that from.. I'm gonna have to dig out my SR2 stuff to find the other I was thinking of... |
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Mar 23 2007, 09:38 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
For the Vogel Pic, try the Dunk's Secrets book
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Mar 23 2007, 09:46 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Twin Cities, MN Member No.: 11,205 |
I was just reading that the other night, actually. Ah, for the glory days of Super Tuesday :spin:
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Mar 23 2007, 10:16 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Yes, the good old days...
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Mar 23 2007, 11:05 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Though the Garden Gnome Industry never did recover after the Awakening. |
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Mar 23 2007, 12:01 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Which isn't necessarily a bad thing...
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Mar 23 2007, 12:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,984 |
Because beards rock?
Especially since it means you don't need to shave, just get it trimmed now and then. |
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Mar 23 2007, 12:16 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
A better question is, why don't you?
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Mar 23 2007, 12:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 144 Joined: 6-March 07 From: Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 11,168 |
Thats why I have a goatee. I am doing way to much to shave all the time, and lets face it, the around the mouth and chin area is the biggest pain to shave, so its a time saving device. Dwarves are just ahead of the curve on this one, I look for humans to catch up by the 7th or 8th world.
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Mar 23 2007, 01:16 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
You've never been to Germany, I guess. Garden Gnome are a sign of the bored suburbian culture here. |
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Mar 23 2007, 01:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 144 Joined: 6-March 07 From: Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 11,168 |
Same way in the states, but beards on the other hand are signs of Lumberjacks, Biker Gangs, and ugly Amish women, all of which are inherently tough and thus exemplify a quality desired in runners. |
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Mar 23 2007, 01:31 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
You're a three foot tall Adult.... in a world where the vast majority of three foot tall people are children. Or baby trogs.
How do you distinguish yourself as an adult? Don't shave. |
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Mar 23 2007, 01:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,984 |
Huh? Sorry, I do not follow what you are saying here. When I said beards rock, I meant that in the sense of "Beards are good", which is an entirely subjective opinion, which may be slightly biased considering my bearded state. |
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Mar 23 2007, 01:41 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Oh sorry, thought you were referring to my post. Mea culpa.
Nothing to read here, then. Move along! :D |
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Mar 23 2007, 02:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 200 Joined: 22-June 06 Member No.: 8,764 |
Isn't the hacker on the cover of the BBB a beardless dwarf?
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Mar 23 2007, 02:45 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 28-March 06 From: Ottawa Ontario Canada Member No.: 8,409 |
This makes a lot of sense to me... In my game I kind of alluded that it was a genetic predisposition to faster growing hair. I described one dwarf male with 5 o'clock shadow at 11 am. |
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Mar 23 2007, 02:48 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,784 Joined: 28-July 04 From: Cleveland, OH Member No.: 6,522 |
As that character is wearing pink shorts, lipstick, and has a braid that's probably more than 2 feet in length, one could posit that this character is female, and for purposes of tracking dwarves without beards, probably doesn't count. (Alternatively, that *could* be a crossdressing dwarf.) |
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Mar 23 2007, 02:52 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...at least the two female dwarves in the sample character section SR4 BBB don't have beards. Would be real tough on the one who is the face.
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Mar 23 2007, 03:33 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
Female dwarves have other indicators of adult hood. |
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Mar 23 2007, 03:56 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...in one other game [which should not be mentioned] it was also said that female dwarves could also have beards. Thankfully Shadowrun didn't follow that line.
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Mar 23 2007, 06:03 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
I generally discount anything and everything from the cover of the BBB. I hate that picture. Cool pic of a female dwarf - Cybertechnology, Prime Runners Bad pic of dwarf -BBB cover |
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Mar 23 2007, 07:04 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
Dwarves have beards? Since when? Surely some do and some don't. If you want to talk about a natural state, then men have beards unless they shave. But lots of men don't have beards. So I don't see why dwarves, who come from every human culture in existence would be any more likely to have a beard than a human. I don't remember anything in cannon that said a dwarf must or should have a beard. I don't see why any other races should have significantly different hair patterns, either. My second favourite troll character has a big head of ginger hair. |
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Mar 23 2007, 07:30 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Well it could be that the dwarf race tends to grow facial hair easier. I know some guys that shave twice a day, and some that only need to once a week. It's never stated, like in SOTA 63 where it talks about dwarfs tending towards a higher than average lean towards being left handed.
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Mar 24 2007, 06:55 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 870 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Athens Ga Member No.: 9,517 |
On one hand I have a beard about the length that they show dwarves so I like them. On the other hand I can see drawves shaving just so they don't get them caught in machinery!
Sort of like Blacksmiths. Despite what you see in movies, historically blacksmiths were one of the few people in a village who didn't have a beard. That is because hair burns well! |
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Mar 24 2007, 07:21 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
Most craftmen, not just blacksmiths, actually keep their hair, all their hair, short--have you ever seen the aftermath of a ponytail getting caught in a lathe? Instant scalping. So, yeah, considering the reputation of dwarfs and machinery in the Sixth World, I imagine that alot of them would go beardless--or at the very least keep it to a nicely trimmed goatee. Afterall, can you imagine what a few loose strands would do to the inside of a finely tuned drone, like, say, in the computer brain? |
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Mar 24 2007, 01:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 718 Joined: 10-September 05 From: Montevideo, in the elusive shadows of Latin America Member No.: 7,727 |
Ahem! Going back to second edition: aren't dwarfs classified " homo sapiens pumilionis"
That seems to imply faster growing / more profuse body hair. Doesn't it? I must add that I am very happy with female dwarfs, orks and trolls actually looking feminine right now. I love the chinese ork gunslinger in the BBB. The dwarf face looks wrong, though. Cheers, Max |
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Mar 25 2007, 03:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 870 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Athens Ga Member No.: 9,517 |
Maybe that dwarf was ugly.
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Mar 25 2007, 07:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Iraq Member No.: 1,789 |
I always thought that the BBB cover dwarf was just a dude wearing a jersey and some track shorts with a long braid. Hmm, maybe I should get my eyes checked again.
I have to agree that I enjoy the fact that Troll female doesn't mean Chyna or some other freaky looking bodybuilder chick. Course, I couldn't imagine the fetishes that would crop up from having 4 new species to play with. :eek: |
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Jun 14 2007, 06:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
Dwarf Santa?
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Jun 14 2007, 07:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 375 Joined: 15-November 06 From: Salem, Dwarven Hell (Tir Tairngier) Member No.: 9,865 |
First: Why are you necroing threads from 3 weeks ago? It's not that I mind, its just, unusual to necro a thread with a two word post.
Second: In a game-that-shall-not-be-mentioned I played female dwarves shaved their beards out of practicality. They also invented bras for the same reason. I can't see any wage slave dwarf who works with machinery to not get their beard removed during a lunch break sometime in their first year of work. |
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Jun 14 2007, 04:24 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
With enough soy and other estrogen analogues in the diet, any 1 meter girl is going to have those same indicators of adulthood. She'll probably even menstruate. Other than the thing where they can lift and throw your motorcycle, I'm not really sure how female dwarfs differentiate themselves from children in 2071. -Frank |
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Jun 14 2007, 07:43 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Dwarves have beards because they're too short to reach their chin and shave it.
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