 D&D 4th Edition, or something else?, Check their website... |
 Aug 16 2007, 01:34 AM
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Shooting Target  Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992  |
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Aug 16 2007, 01:52 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
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Aug 16 2007, 02:33 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,696 Joined: 17-February 07 From: Middle Sized City, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 11,025 |
How very, very, odd. Anybody know the release dates on 3.5?
Edit: Rpg.net semi confirmation. 4th ed D&D. You know they're just doing cause that's waht all the cool kids are doing. :grinbig: |
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Aug 16 2007, 06:54 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 121 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,325 |
Oh, good lord. They're about to piss off a lot of people.
*shrug* Oh well. |
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Aug 16 2007, 07:10 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Meriss - I think somewhere around 2000. I know I lived in San Jose at the time, and I moved from there in '02. Not the most technical means I'm sure, but that's what I recall. 'course I could try out my google-fu. But I just don't care enough.
Anyawy, as I recall, isn't 5-7 years kid of standard for an edition? 3,5 was kind of a fluke there. |
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Aug 16 2007, 07:13 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
No, that's not standard at all in a genre where there are no standards. If it were, D&D should be at something ridiculous like the 8th Edition or something, for instance, and Shadowrun wouldn't be far behind.
I'm rather indifferent about the topic as I haven't played or even thought about playing D&D since, well, not long after 3rd Edition came out. Will be interesting to see what they consider a new edition, though, and to listen to them explain why it was needed considering the whole d20 System license bit. |
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Aug 16 2007, 07:18 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
:D yeah that should be good!
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Aug 16 2007, 07:51 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 |
We still play 3E in our group. I'd say "I'll stick to it"; but I was sceptical when I heard of 3E, and I switched as soon as I read the PHB.
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Aug 16 2007, 08:33 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
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Well, I don't care much for a 4th edition - I have all 3.5 books I need to run my Iron Kingdoms campaign. :) |
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Aug 16 2007, 02:35 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Nah D&D would be be some 6-7th ed (original '74 33 years ago) Shadowrun would be on 4th ('89 so 18 years) Given the D&D/Ad&D thing those numbers seem right (as D&D had 4 editions (maybe 5) and AD&D is on 3.5 so far) |
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Aug 16 2007, 04:35 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
There was a brief period yesterday where an admin board was left wide open for public viewing. It contained a full 4th Edition message board with a dozen or so starter topics for discussion.
It looked like they were prepping and getting the board ready, and forgot to lock it. It got shut down right when I was starting to post links. Supposedly at GenCon this morning they made an official announcement. -karma |
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Aug 16 2007, 05:03 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Yeah.... forgot to lock it.... sure. :D
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Aug 16 2007, 05:47 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
Not that I have any real source of info to provide other than rumor but..... It was like a month age I heard that 4th was coming out soon. Also the rumor is they are going to stop the open game licence stuff as well.
As has been stated Gencon is the time to make official announcements so I guess we'll see. |
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Aug 16 2007, 07:27 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...damn straight. Personally I'm just disappointed, I like 3.5 the way it is but I don't play it all that often to warrant buying more than just the three core books, a couple of Forgotten Realms source books and Oriental Adventures. However, got a couple of friends with pretty hefty investments in 3.5, and a lot of those books aren't cheap. ...I think I can hear them screaming and cursing now. |
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Aug 16 2007, 07:40 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
With luck, it's a rebranded original D&D, so we can get rid of this ridiculous "class/race separation".
~J |
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Aug 16 2007, 07:49 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 25-July 07 Member No.: 12,367 |
I hope for something that looks similar to the new Star Wars rules.
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Aug 16 2007, 07:55 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Ah the heady days when Halfling was a class... with nothing going for it at all... *Sits down and gets nostalgic about Red box D&D* |
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Aug 16 2007, 08:42 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Or the old ones. 8) |
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Aug 16 2007, 08:50 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,696 Joined: 17-February 07 From: Middle Sized City, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 11,025 |
Less than 2 hours to go! Someone at Gen con sneak into the announcement hall!
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Aug 16 2007, 09:36 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
I dunno, the new SAGA edition has parts that feel awful sloppy to me. I'll give an example. Under Creating Droid Heros, it tells you in the rules text that you get one form of movement for free, and that adding more forms costs an increasing extra price in credits. Over on a chart there is another set of cost formulas for movement systems, different from the one in the text. The rules text makes no mention of the formulas in the chart. None at all. I can tell what they probably INTEND, that the formulas in the chart are the actual base price of each movement system, and the increasing price for extra movement systems beyond the first is tacked on top of that, but nowhere is this actually spelled out. That's just sloppy. The whole book has stuff like this, scattered about. From what I understand, the guys who developed the SAGA edition were freelancers hired by WotC rather than their in-house staff, but it really could have stood to gone a few more rounds of playtesting and rules-proofing. -karma |
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Aug 16 2007, 09:45 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 25-July 07 Member No.: 12,367 |
While I will agree that there is some sloppiness and rules oversights, the class development is what I really like. I think it is a vast improvement over classes as DnD currently has them.
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Aug 16 2007, 10:23 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Agreed. The idea that you can be a 17th level ranger, and it can take you ages to learn the first thing (1st level) about being a fighter just makes no sense.
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Aug 16 2007, 10:34 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
And here we are at the appointed time. I log in, and the screen saaaayyysss....
"Service Unavailable" :rotfl: |
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Aug 16 2007, 10:34 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
I never minded that, Fighter 1 isn't to bad a level...
More seriously as you get more skilled in one thing it becomes harder to learn new tricks. |
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Aug 16 2007, 10:36 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 25-July 07 Member No.: 12,367 |
Aaaaaaannnnd
the timer finishes and wizards.com goes down. |
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Aug 16 2007, 10:37 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
No I have something...
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Aug 16 2007, 10:38 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Not completely working...
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Aug 16 2007, 10:50 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
That was the point I was trying to make, yes. |
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Aug 17 2007, 12:10 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...and I wonder why.... :sarcasm: |
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Aug 17 2007, 12:11 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Evil pixies are part of the answer the rest is in SoLA...
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Aug 17 2007, 12:46 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
The direct-tolkien-ripoff bonuses to hide were awesome because of how derivative they were. Hell, man, I really want to play 1st edition D&D again, but with a Bruce Lee Impersonator character class! |
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Aug 17 2007, 12:48 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
The Mystic from the masters set (black box) like AD&Ds monk with more WAAAAAAH!!!! (or other bruce lee noise) 16th level, on shot everything...
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Aug 17 2007, 01:14 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
I used to have the Rules Cyclopedia. I remember the Mystics. The picture for their class in the beginning of the book was ridiculous, too, featuring a woman in a formal Japanese-style kimono with a butterfly in her hair. Then she was doing the Shaolin hand-over-fist salute thing. Damn, man, 1st edition was really all we needed! |
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Aug 17 2007, 07:31 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
12:30 AM: Update
still :rotfl: |
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Aug 17 2007, 07:53 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
It was a shocking development. I mean, they tease, build up suspense, then... act surprised when the server crashes?
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Aug 17 2007, 09:22 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Well even at about 5 in the morning EST (I think) it's still dead teehee.
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Aug 17 2007, 09:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,583 |
Personally, I still think it's too soon for D&D Fourth Edition, by at least two years. The balance problems haven't gotten big enough, the mechanics still provide enough of a balance between quickness and simulation, and there are several area and organizational supplements they could put out before Fourth Edition (particularly for their campaign settigns) that they haven't yet.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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Aug 17 2007, 11:37 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
But it is broke, and deeply so.
~J |
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Aug 17 2007, 02:54 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Balance? Broken?
Look, they came out with the Complete Arcane, and then they came out with the Complete Wizard, as well as multiple books with alternate magic systems in them. If they want to keep selling rule books they either need to release the Really Really Complete Magicky Stuff This Time For Sure or they need a new edition. It's about money. Most gaming companies struggle to maintain that healthy balance between income and love of the game. WotC has no such struggle. |
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Aug 17 2007, 04:47 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
I wonder if the new edition will still cause cancer...
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Aug 17 2007, 05:27 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
We might need to come up with a new hilarious affliction.
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Aug 17 2007, 06:25 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
jaundice. it'll turn your skin the same color as that horrible page was.
You know, before it turned to a white screen that said "Service Unavaialbe". 'Cause I think that would be E.D., nobody wants that. |
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Aug 17 2007, 06:51 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
You bastard. You hilarious bastard. Here I am, at my desk, browsing Dumpshock. My boss calls me on the phone, with nothing important to say, but damn, he sure does take the time to say it. So I'm clicking idly away, waiting for him to summarize his long, rambling nothing regarding unrequested details of a project completely unrelated to mine, and I wandered back in to this thread. :rotfl: I'm lucky, he just thought his dumb story was really funny. ;) |
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Aug 17 2007, 06:53 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
The link works now
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Aug 17 2007, 07:46 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...should have used a preserve spell... :grinbig: ..wait, maybe that won't be available in 4th ed.
..LMAO |
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Aug 17 2007, 09:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,583 |
They also came out with Complete Warrior and Heroes of Battle for big burly warrior types (not to mention Tome of Battle), Complete Adventurer, Complete Scoundrel, and Dungeonscape for skill monkeys and backstabbers, and Complete Divine and Complete Champion for religious types. I personally don't think that secular spellcasters have been getting all or even a disporportionate share of the love. I just think that it's just about a year or so too soon. But, of course as always, YMMV. |
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Aug 17 2007, 09:21 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Well, since it won't actually be out till next year, you can both be right. :D |
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Aug 17 2007, 09:23 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Truely, you leave me speechless.
Was my point really that badly expressed? Yes, there are books for fighters, and divine, and everything else. There are already several books for everything. That's the point. If they want to print more books, they need a new edition, 'cause they've already made them all for 3rd edition, several times. |
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Aug 17 2007, 09:33 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
much love |
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Aug 17 2007, 09:36 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Which is exactly why I don't play D&D any more, or knowingly purchase any WotC products. |
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Aug 17 2007, 11:33 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Yeah, this will kill my group buying WotC products.
Sure, it's a business, but damn, this just isn't necessary from a game standpoint. |
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Aug 18 2007, 03:55 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...well, could always mean there may be a good market in used 3 - 3.5 stuff soon.
Been doing pretty well filling in my library of SRIII material since 4th ed came out. |
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Aug 20 2007, 03:28 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Are you kidding? Have you seen the rules bloat in 3.0/3.5? The contradicting, confusing text? I've seen game sessions end up being half rules arguements instead of actually playing. Hell, the D&D FAQ, which is purely a document clarifying and explaining the rules, has grown larger than some of the sourcebooks. D&D is prime for a rules update right now. -karma |
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Aug 20 2007, 04:41 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
4.0 isn't going to fix that. the rules will start bloating again, probably with the first or second splatbook.
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Aug 20 2007, 06:27 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
From what I could gather from the site, they're not really interested in fixing rules bloating or anything of the sort. It's more of a delivery platform to celebrate some online tools they're trying to push, with a few minor upgrades to the system to actually facilitate even more rules bloat (like weapons having different and individual charactertics in combat).
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Aug 20 2007, 08:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 19-June 07 From: Florida Member No.: 11,950 |
I'm just sick to death of classes and levels. I don't really ever want to run another level based game again.
I love fantasy games- treasure, castles, dragons, it's all good. But when level comes into play- it just kills it for me. |
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Aug 20 2007, 08:18 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...by that last statement, sounds like they got a couple of the old FGU guys working for them. Remember Chivalry & Sorcery- the fantasy game that makes the current Shadowrun chargen look like old AD&D (before Second Ed)?
...there is always Hero System's Fantasy Hero |
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Aug 20 2007, 08:38 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Take a level in Classic Roleplayer and you'll be ok with it again. ~J |
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Aug 20 2007, 08:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 19-June 07 From: Florida Member No.: 11,950 |
Actually I'm currently sticking more to rules that were home brewed for freshness when it comes to fantasy games. I've got a friend who cooked a up a great set of rules. Interestingly they're based on D20 but w/out levels or classes. |
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Aug 20 2007, 10:34 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...come to think of it, didn't Runequest dispense with character levels as well? I vaguely remember rolling against skills used in an adventure to improve them instead of having blanket levels to increase your abilities. I know Call of Cthulu (not the D20 version) uses the same mechanic.
I think DragonQuest also used a similar system that allowed your character to go for training to increase your skills between adventures. Man that was a more than a quarter century since I last played either RQ or DQ. Yikes! Has it been that long? |
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Aug 20 2007, 11:16 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Yes, they did. CoC used a simplified version of the RQ mechanics. When I discovered RQ I began to think about RPGs in a different way and to hate the concept of character classes and levels. |
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Aug 20 2007, 11:35 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...yeah I really miss RQ, though I occasionally have the opportunity to play CoC now & then.
...but just like the biz of Computer OS & software, it seems the inferior product gets the biggest slice of the market pie over the better one. |
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Aug 21 2007, 12:29 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Many of D&D's more controversial features (levels, classes, arguably even alignment) make more sense if you reclassify the game as a tactical wargame. This is before the "role-playing" perversions, of course.
~J |
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Aug 21 2007, 04:41 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
QFT. Actually, strangely enough, my entire reaction to 4e is pretty much: *shrug* "Where did I put my new copy of Savage Worlds?" |
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Aug 21 2007, 09:05 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Having thought long and hard about what disease 4th ed will cause i have realised that the disease will be quick, and efficent (or streamlined in designer speak). So I suspect 4th edtion D&D will cause Ebola.
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Aug 26 2007, 11:59 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...funny coincidence, I was sitting at the coffee shop today and there were two fellows at the table next to me with the Savage Worlds - Revised book. @Ophis, I would think the disease would be more like spontaneous cranial arterial embolism followed by massive cerebral hemorrhaging after one's blood pressure went ballistic when they just learned the thousand+ $ in rules and sourcebooks they acquired over the last few years are now worthless. :grinbig: |
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,650 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,328 |
The savage world rules are pretty weird. I love weird probability action going on. If you have a d6 in shooting and I have a d4 in shooting.. and we are having a pistol duel I want us to take *ten* paces each not five so my chance of hitting is now 20% and yours is 16%! /me has just started playing a game of deadlands. |
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Aug 27 2007, 01:56 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Deadlands rocks! The original Pinnacle game is still my second favorite game of all time. :)
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Aug 27 2007, 01:42 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Deadlands is cool. I haven't played the SW version of it yet, but I know a few people that have played both and prefer the original.
KK, pick up the Explorer's Edition. $10, full rules, packed with awesome. |
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Aug 27 2007, 02:48 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...pretty cool. have to check My FLGS this weekend.
Love Deadlands, just wish more people where I lived played it. A game right up my namesake's alley. |
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Aug 28 2007, 06:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Ebola - perfect! I love it! The mere announcement of 4th edition D&D has certainly killed any desire to continue buying WotC stuff in our group, especially considering that the two main GMs (myself included) are rather heavily invested in 3.5 (and Eberron in my case). Talk about alienating the fanbase :please:
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Aug 28 2007, 06:47 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Found this on the WotC boards. Given that WotC has flat out admitted to lying to their fanbase, I believe it. |
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Aug 28 2007, 09:58 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...almost makes 'ol Mr Gygax & TSR not seem all that bad anymore...
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Aug 28 2007, 10:42 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Hey, man, Gygax is cool. He's the Chuck Norris of RPGs. When you roll on the tables for random tavern encounters in your 1st edition D&D game and the result of the dice roll is that the level 1 torch bearer hireling is in fact a sociopath because that possibility is indeed on the table, it's everything you can do as the GM to bite your lip and not scream "CHUCK NORRIS!" at the top of your lungs. |
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Aug 28 2007, 10:55 PM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
Having been at GenCon, I don't recall any prison camp vibes. When I wasn't running games, I spent a lot of time in the dealer hall and walked through the WotC booth. They made the pronouncement that 4th Ed was coming, but given that they weren't answering many questions, I can't see how it would be described as force fed. It was rather the opposite, I had to pry out teeth just to get admission on whether or not a D20 would still be rolled. |
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Aug 28 2007, 11:24 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
I believe the prison camp reference was only in relation to the 4e announcement (and the area in which it was made). I could be wrong.
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Aug 28 2007, 11:30 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
[thread tanget]Gives WR 1,250 Exp so he can reach 2nd level thief and kill the torch bearer. Gygaz rules.[/thread tanget] |
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Aug 28 2007, 11:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,468 Joined: 5-December 06 From: Somewhere in the Flooding, CalFree Member No.: 10,215 |
yeah, I just heard last night from a friend of mine, whose friend in Boston is one of the artists for something that has to do with 4th Edition. He said that is has something to do with a sort of MMO kind of game and gameplay, but also that R.A. Salvatore is one of the writer's for it.
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Aug 29 2007, 01:34 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...I actually miss those old NPC encounter tables :grinbig: |
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Aug 29 2007, 04:21 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Damn it. And I liked him. Now I have to throw those books away. :D |
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Aug 29 2007, 04:25 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Perhaps they'll just reissue 1e, exactly the same as it was, including the classic blue cover, and just call it 4e. That would be awesome.
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Sep 5 2007, 03:55 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-August 07 Member No.: 12,615 |
bleh. This is partly why I stopped playing "that other game"; they release a set of rulebooks, a year later "version x.5", a year after that "version x.x", etc. You're shelling out megabucks for ever more versions of core rules. But what do I know? They're still #1 in sales and popularity, so they must be doing something right.
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Sep 8 2007, 01:53 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 21-December 06 Member No.: 10,417 |
It happens to the best of us. I knew something was up when Salvatore joined with McFarlane and Schilling. Filthy Lucre, Filthy Lucre, Filthy Lucre!!! |
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