yeah that should be good!

Nah D&D would be be some 6-7th ed (original '74 33 years ago)

Shadowrun would be on 4th ('89 so 18 years)

Given the D&D/Ad&D thing those numbers seem right (as D&D had 4 editions (maybe 5) and AD&D is on 3.5 so far)

...damn straight. Personally I'm just disappointed, I like 3.5 the way it is but I don't play it all that often to warrant buying more than just the three core books, a couple of Forgotten Realms source books and Oriental Adventures.

However, got a couple of friends with pretty hefty investments in 3.5, and a lot of those books aren't cheap.

...I think I can hear them screaming and cursing now.

Ah the heady days when Halfling was a class... with nothing going for it at all...

*Sits down and gets nostalgic about Red box D&D*

Or the old ones.

I dunno, the new SAGA edition has parts that feel awful sloppy to me.

I'll give an example. Under Creating Droid Heros, it tells you in the rules text that you get one form of movement for free, and that adding more forms costs an increasing extra price in credits.

Over on a chart there is another set of cost formulas for movement systems, different from the one in the text.

The rules text makes no mention of the formulas in the chart. None at all.

I can tell what they probably INTEND, that the formulas in the chart are the actual base price of each movement system, and the increasing price for extra movement systems beyond the first is tacked on top of that, but nowhere is this actually spelled out.

That's just sloppy.

The whole book has stuff like this, scattered about.

From what I understand, the guys who developed the SAGA edition were freelancers hired by WotC rather than their in-house staff, but it really could have stood to gone a few more rounds of playtesting and rules-proofing.


-karma

That was the point I was trying to make, yes.

...and I wonder why....

The direct-tolkien-ripoff bonuses to hide were awesome because of how derivative they were. Hell, man, I really want to play 1st edition D&D again, but with a Bruce Lee Impersonator character class!

I used to have the Rules Cyclopedia. I remember the Mystics. The picture for their class in the beginning of the book was ridiculous, too, featuring a woman in a formal Japanese-style kimono with a butterfly in her hair. Then she was doing the Shaolin hand-over-fist salute thing.

Damn, man, 1st edition was really all we needed!

still

You bastard. You hilarious bastard.
Here I am, at my desk, browsing Dumpshock. My boss calls me on the phone, with nothing important to say, but damn, he sure does take the time to say it. So I'm clicking idly away, waiting for him to summarize his long, rambling nothing regarding unrequested details of a project completely unrelated to mine, and I wandered back in to this thread.

I'm lucky, he just thought his dumb story was really funny.

...should have used a preserve spell...

..wait, maybe that won't be available in 4th ed.

..LMAO

They also came out with Complete Warrior and Heroes of Battle for big burly warrior types (not to mention Tome of Battle), Complete Adventurer, Complete Scoundrel, and Dungeonscape for skill monkeys and backstabbers, and Complete Divine and Complete Champion for religious types.

I personally don't think that secular spellcasters have been getting all or even a disporportionate share of the love.

I just think that it's just about a year or so too soon.

But, of course as always, YMMV.

Well, since it won't actually be out till next year, you can both be right.

much love

Which is exactly why I don't play D&D any more, or knowingly purchase any WotC products.