Farewell..., Am off... Options

[knasser]

It's vanity, I know, but I'm just posting a thread to say "goodbye."

I'm being told off by the mods now for "making personal attacks." I have never, ever, appreciated being told what I can and cannot say and have, once before, warned the moderators that I wont tolerate being told what I can and cannot say.

I have half of an adventure module written, so I will post here once more when it is done, to let people know it's up, but other than that, I'm just going to wish you all (everyone) happy gaming.

Thank you to all for much interesting and stimulating debate and peace be with you.

Regards,

-Khadim Nasser.

[mfb]

el suck. peace, man.

[Zhan Shi]

It's all about style, habibi. Think of how Croup responded. But godspeed. Cool site, BTW.

[Buster]

Noooooo! Just have a couple gallons of Bavarian Hafeweizen and come back in the morning, you'll forget the whole thing.

[Dashifen]

I agree; it's not worth leaving the site over. Speaking as a mod, our goal is never to anger those we PM, just to remind them that they could be approaching a line that we hope they don't cross.

[darthmord]

knasser, I respect your choice to exit but let me say a few things before you leave...

While I don't always agree with your take on any given subject, I do enjoy and respect the time you take to explain your viewpoint. There's a few times I've seen you post something insightful enough that I've changed my opinion on an interpretation.

That is something special to me. I sincerely doubt that I'm the only one who has had the same happen to themselves.

Some people don't agree with you. Big deal. Let them disagree. You are still right... in your game. Just like they are in their game. That said, some people tend to forget that in their railing about some subject near and dear to their over-chromed hearts.

Unfortunately, we're not all Dunkelzahns and can't Divine for crap to figure out the best way. I hope you do reconsider your decision to leave and continue to grace us with your input. You've got this sometime player & GM's attention.

Thanks!

[Synner]

Sorry to see ya go Khadim. Seriously hope you reconsider. Don't forget to stay in touch.

[FriendoftheDork]

I haven't been here long enough to know you, but the few posts I have seen from you have been reasonable and educational. If you've come into conflikt, that's a shame but I would hope you would stay and just try to avoid that conflict.

Still you have to respect the rules of a forum, and if it forbids certain things you can either accept that or do what you do now - leave. I hope you don't but if you really can't stand it... too bad.

Happy gaming to you too, hope you can still lurk here at least ;)

[PlatonicPimp]

Personally, having read the thread which started this all, I don't think you should leave. I do think you called someone on bullshit, and I think that if you got modslapped for it, then the other party deserves twice as bad. Hell, given the situation, I think you handled it with grace and decorum. In a similar situation, I was much ruder to him.

Mods, I feel that if your policy has driven off this poster, and yet leaves Doc Funk's crusade against cybergenitalia untouched, then you should seriously rethink your policies. If telling another poster that their arguments are unsound and their motivations are questionable constitutes a personal attack, how can we have a debate at all?

[WearzManySkins]

Knasser,

I refrained from making a comment I wished to make in that thread, more of a tongue and cheek. But there is a back history regarding that person, I refrained but watched.

I found your comments to be tasteful and fairly tactful under the conditions in that thread.

I have enjoyed your comments/statements, do what you feel you must do.

Thanks

WearzManySkins

[toturi]

While I am sad to see K go, there are forum rules and the mods interpret and enforce these rules.

[WearzManySkins]

Depends upon the background he mentioned.

SWAGed

Someone who has been victimized by Censorship, tend to be very touchy about Censorship, in any form.

Those who have never been victimized by censorship, can not get a "handle" on it.

It is like a sighted person(Censored) trying to describe the color blue to a unsighted person(uncensored) who has never had sight.

WMS

[laughingowl]

Knasser:

Won't say we have always seen eye to eye... but will be sorry to see you go...

Not knowing the full details.. will say I am not a fan of censorship.. but will also remind, it is polite to respect others wishes in their house...

It aint censorship, if somebody says, please don't smoke... or please don't use vulgairty in my house...

Now if you do feel they are being unrealistic / fair /etc you certainly have to do what you feel is right....

Though sometimes it is worth saying, sorry I abused your (the mods) hospitality... won't say I am sorry or apologize to the 'other person', but I did break the tranquality of your house... I will try not to do it again...

Several have expressed regrets at seeing you go... and the fact you posted a goodbye, I assume you have some regrets.. I would ask is putting up with somebody's rules for their house, worth the people you can talk to at their house...

While I firmly belive I have the right to sit around my house without clothes and drink tea, I wouldn't dream of going to the local coffee shop and doing the same.... altough at time I am very likely inclined to go to the shop, not for the dirnk (which I could have at home) but for the people there...


Either way best of luck...

From a personal greedy point of view, hope you reconsider and come back... while we haven't always agreed, two people passionate about something really agree on everything... and the thought / debate process has always been enlightening and enertaining.

/salute

[Fortune]

[FriendoftheDork]

[Wounded Ronin]

Bwah hwah hwah, the modding here is so gentle. Try bullshido.net for a good time. :rotfl:

[Aristotle]

First: I'm not certain how long this thread will be left open, or at least in this forum, given that it is off topic and likely to incite the sort of behavior that causes moderator action. I'll let the rest of the administration decide, as I'm really biased against "goodbye" threads.

Next: This post *will not* be used to bash Knasser or point fingers at other users who individuals feel should be moderated/punished. Consider this a general warning.

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[PlatonicPimp]

OK, moderation is done by judgement instead of policy. OK then. I know there are guidelines, even though whenever I click on the link I get a blank page. The same thing happens when I try to PM someone, so my research and response angles are limited. If anyone has any advice on how to fix these issues, I would be greatly appreciative, because I feel the need to use the PM function.

[Aristotle]

Click on the "0 new messages" link in the top right of the page. Then use "Compose Message".

[fistandantilus4....]

PP - The Guidelines and Terms of Service are up, they're just not accessible at the moment, and won't be until Adam is able to update the software. There are new ToS in the drafts, mostly with some more thought out meaning to clear up confusion, with a number of recent issues specifically addressed.

As for this situation, it comes down to something very simple. Knasser called somone a dick. Not exactly the end of the world. But something worth a PM warning. The warning was straight forward. Along the lines of ' you did x, don't do x again'. There was no "telling off" or "mod smack". There are rules here,users are expected to follow them. I'll add just that suspension or anything else along those lines never came up anywhere in this, because frankly, it's an insult. It's not that big of deal.

Personally I'd like Knasser to stick around. I've expressed as much already to him. Frankly I'm suprised at the reaction, but admittedly I don't know whatever Knasser has in his background.

[Eleazar]

[noonesshowmonkey]

Knasser,

It is sad to see you go. I just recently joined the DS forums after lurking for a long while... It is so hard to find good content, good opinions, reasonable and thoughtful people on the internet, much less in a forum. I rarely take an interest in much of anything a particular forum go'er says, but I always read your posts carefully. Few are worth my time, frankly; and yours always are.

I do hope that you allow some perspective to germinate, fester, if you will, in due time. Forums boil down to the core users that provide content and personality and it would be a serious blow to this one if you were to bow out. I have no read the posts in question and have absolutely no investment in whatever argument ensued. I just want to be able to come here and read clever, well thought out commentary mixed with excellent game content.

- der menkey

Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter.
~ Ernest Hemmingway

[adamu]

Knasser - I don't really know you, but you make really good points revealing a thorough understanding of the game we all love. You have on at least one occasion disagreed with me and in doing so largely won me over to your way of thinking.

Also, some of the things you have posted/provided have been incredibly useful.

Whether you leave the site is up to you, but the cost seems much greater than the benefit.

[Gelare]

Knasser, in the short time I've been around these forums I've noticed you're one of the more helpful, informative people around. It sounds like in this whole affair there are one or more parties at fault, but whether you are one of them is irrelevant; you are clearly a valued, contributing member to this community, and I, along with plenty of regular users, admins, and whoever hacked past the IC, hope that you stay. If you insist you've been wronged too strongly to remain, then happy travels to you, and watch out in the shadows, omae.

[NightmareX]

Knasser, I don't know what went on here (been gone the past couple of days), but I think I have a fair idea already just from this thread. I would say more, but...... Having recently had similar issues, I must say that I am very sorry to see you go especially under such circumstances though I totally understand your decision (I contemplated the same, save for the graciousness of the mod staff - two in specific - I would have). I enjoy your take on the game and your insights. In my opinion, you have more than earned your place here my friend.