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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 376 Joined: 20-June 10 From: Nerva L3 Station Member No.: 18,735 ![]() |
Can I put modifications from Vehicles into a Cybereye? I hope not, but I can't figure out exactly how Capacity works. My guess is the developers mean for there to be classes (cyberware, armor, weapon, vehicle) for fitting into Slots or Capacity, but the rules for them are spread around in a whole bunch of books. Does anyone have a complete picture on these rules?
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 1-April 10 Member No.: 18,399 ![]() |
Can I put modifications from Vehicles into a Cybereye? I hope not, but I can't figure out exactly how Capacity works. My guess is the developers mean for there to be classes (cyberware, armor, weapon, vehicle) for fitting into Slots or Capacity, but the rules for them are spread around in a whole bunch of books. Does anyone have a complete picture on these rules? A very bulk modified Cybereye with several cameras, multiple sensor systems and a laser can be seen here Of course, with that many vehicle sized mods, you'd need a bigger eye socket/cyberskull as well. |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
What do you mean 'modifications from vehicles'?
You can fill cyber capacity with any capacity-rated *cyberware* (eyeware, earware, and headware restrictions may apply). Sensor packages can have capacity-rated *sensors*. Guns get (usually) 6 slots of slot-rated *weapon mods*. Vehicles get (usually) Body slots of slot-rated *vehicle mods*. Armor suits get a set capacity of capacity-rated *armor capacity accessories* (many of which match cyberware or sensors). Armor get (B+I) slots of *armor modifications*. Where's the confusion? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) There's no crossover anywhere. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 ![]() |
This does really beg the question, just what is the player trying to add to their cyber eye?
Player: Can I add an ejection seat to my cyber eye, it should fit the cpacity. GM: *Stunned Silence* |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 ![]() |
I like to add tactical nukes or at least an rpg.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 31-May 09 From: London, UK Member No.: 17,229 ![]() |
This does really beg the question, just what is the player trying to add to their cyber eye? A heavy turret, of course. What else? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohplease.gif) |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 ![]() |
A heavy turret, of course. What else? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohplease.gif) What good is a turret? why not go for a grenade launcher or browning M2? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 376 Joined: 20-June 10 From: Nerva L3 Station Member No.: 18,735 ![]() |
I was thinking about putting Luxury Amenities into my cybereye. I'll keep a pixie in there in comfort, and make her come out and heal me when all of my hearts are gone.
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
The M2 goes *on* the turret, duh. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 31-May 09 From: London, UK Member No.: 17,229 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 376 Joined: 20-June 10 From: Nerva L3 Station Member No.: 18,735 ![]() |
I was thinking of calling her "Beauty." 'Cause, you know, she's in my eye.
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Old Man Jones ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 20-July 09 From: Detroit Member No.: 17,413 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 11-June 10 Member No.: 18,694 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 424 Joined: 9-July 10 From: Voice with an Matrix Connection Member No.: 18,806 ![]() |
"2 Pink Mohawk Pixies Shooting Lasers Out Their Eyes Shooting Out Your Eyes"
Best band name ever. I calls dibs. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 10-June 09 From: Minneapolis, MN Member No.: 17,268 ![]() |
I'd let them take Pimped
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 2-September 05 From: Canada Member No.: 7,672 ![]() |
Ahahahaha... thank you so much for this thread. It really did make me laugh out loud reading the responses, and it's almost 3am here and I quite possibly just woke up my roommates....
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,026 Joined: 13-February 10 Member No.: 18,155 ![]() |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Actually, a Beholder might actually have big enough eyes for this kind of gear. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 161 Joined: 18-May 08 Member No.: 15,985 ![]() |
If you can find a way to see through your drone, just pop a micro or mini drone in where an eye used to be.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 11-June 10 Member No.: 18,694 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 161 Joined: 18-May 08 Member No.: 15,985 ![]() |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
The eye-drone mod. Duh.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 161 Joined: 18-May 08 Member No.: 15,985 ![]() |
The eye-drone mod. Duh. It's still just cyberware though, right? So it wouldn't be able to get vehicle modifications. The occular drone can be controled as a spyball drone when removed, but I don't see anything explicitly stating it counts as a drone (and thus can take vehicle modifications). |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Right. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were being serious. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) As I said before, there is no way you can ever have cap/mod/accessories cross between their proper groups.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 376 Joined: 20-June 10 From: Nerva L3 Station Member No.: 18,735 ![]() |
Chewey the Pirate lost his legs in a fierce battle against the Monster of the Week (yarr). Having just robbed a ship of clowns, he got their clown doctor to graft him to two Entertainment Systems Cyclops'. They play clown music.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 161 Joined: 18-May 08 Member No.: 15,985 ![]() |
Right. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were being serious. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) As I said before, there is no way you can ever have cap/mod/accessories cross between their proper groups. True. I was trying to see if there was a way to view what the drone in your eye socket sees without jacking in. |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Assuming you could have a drone in your eye socket, it'd just be a camera. You could slave the drone (and its camera) to your commlink, and trode the image feed into your brain. The rules about sensors versus 'natural' senses are pretty wonky, and being unable to control the camera like an eyeball could be disorienting? It's basically up to the GM, but why would you have a drone in your eye in the first place? I mean, duct tape a Fly Spy or little crawler to your skull and *keep* your eye. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 161 Joined: 18-May 08 Member No.: 15,985 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 376 Joined: 20-June 10 From: Nerva L3 Station Member No.: 18,735 ![]() |
*sigh* While I love Shadowrun, and I appreciate abstraction for playability, the Shadowrun rules for the Matrix, Electronics, and Vehicles reminds me of this [link]. They should have based it on the OSI model, I guess.
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 99 Joined: 9-December 09 Member No.: 17,955 ![]() |
It's still just cyberware though, right? So it wouldn't be able to get vehicle modifications. The occular drone can be controled as a spyball drone when removed, but I don't see anything explicitly stating it counts as a drone (and thus can take vehicle modifications). Those are good enough for my GM |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Honestly, it doesn't matter. The spyball drone with vehicle mods is not going to be a problem, and it acts as a 100% normal cybereye while docked. You still can't get anything inappropriate, and it's all disabled when it's in your eye.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 376 Joined: 20-June 10 From: Nerva L3 Station Member No.: 18,735 ![]() |
Firearms with the Propulsion modification: "The weapon is equipped with a limited means of propulsion, so the only thing that distinguishes it from a real drone is the fact that it still looks like a weapon." But "Note that a weapon with a propulsion system still counts as a weapon in terms of modifications, so it cannot profit from any drone or vehicle modifications."
You know, I learned my first week of posting on Dumpshock to not make a categorical statement and then violate it two lines later. Dumpshockers jump on that sort of thing like cannibalistic pixies with pink mohawks shooting lasers out their eyes. |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Haha. I dunno, I thought that was 100% clear.
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 29-August 02 Member No.: 3,195 ![]() |
Honestly, it doesn't matter. The spyball drone with vehicle mods is not going to be a problem, and it acts as a 100% normal cybereye while docked. You still can't get anything inappropriate, and it's all disabled when it's in your eye. So you're suggesting that my cybereye based missile defense system is invalid? |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
I wouldn't dream of it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 ![]() |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 ![]() |
So you're suggesting that my cybereye based missile defense system is invalid? yeah, it is. While nothing prevents an ocular drone from being modded? (what? Its a core book mod. It says it counts as an iball, not that it can't take mods, accessories, or other drone benefits like a Sensor capacity) ... the missile defense system is still a Standard vehicle mod, and is not available to micro or minidrones. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 ![]() |
so Best to stick with a grenade launcher.
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