 Help to settle a little argument, Members of my group can't settle it sooo... |
  Aug 17 2010, 08:40 AM
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All right so me and my group of players got into an argument of how Tir Tairngire is supposed to be pronounced. Of course I realize that no one on here can say it for us or anything but I am hoping that I can get some folks that know how to do the whole dictionary type thing for pronouncing the name. I can't handle it anymore when I say it one way and one side of the table starts in and when I say it the other way that the other side goes nuts. Please someone help to definitively settle this for us. Thanks!
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Aug 17 2010, 08:55 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 347 Joined: 28-June 10 Member No.: 18,765 |
Probably not at all definitive but I found this.
http://forum.rpg.net/archive/index.php/t-307444.html |
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Aug 17 2010, 09:22 AM
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Tír Tairngire: shir sha-irn-gi-rā
Straight from the 6th World Almanac. Hope that helps. |
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Aug 17 2010, 12:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 15-September 08 From: Florida Member No.: 16,346 |
QUOTE (Conspiracy X @ Aug 17 2010, 03:22 AM)  Tír Tairngire: shir sha-irn-gi-rā Straight from the 6th World Almanac. Hope that helps. It helped me, for sure. I've been calling it Teer Taern-guy-er this whole time. |
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Aug 17 2010, 01:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 944 Joined: 19-February 03 Member No.: 4,128 |
QUOTE (Conspiracy X @ Aug 17 2010, 04:22 AM) Tír Tairngire: shir sha-irn-gi-rā Straight from the 6th World Almanac. Hope that helps. Both of the Tirs are Gaelic names, right? I've long thought that Gaelic transliteration is a practical joke on the rest of the English-speaking world. |
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Aug 17 2010, 03:17 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
I've always said it "Teer Ta-*mumble mumble mumble*".
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Aug 17 2010, 03:31 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,336 Joined: 25-February 08 From: San Mateo CA Member No.: 15,708 |
Tear Tangerine.
Ain't never going to pronounce dandelion eater land jr any other way. BlueMax |
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Aug 17 2010, 03:38 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Wa, USA Member No.: 1,139 |
QUOTE (Conspiracy X @ Aug 17 2010, 10:22 AM) Tír Tairngire: shir sha-irn-gi-rā Straight from the 6th World Almanac. Really? I find that really odd seeing how everyone I've known always says Tear... Is there an older book that says Shir to? I'm going to laugh if I had missed this for years! QUOTE (BlueMax @ Aug 17 2010, 04:31 PM) Tear Tangerine. This is the way I have been saying it forever (not that I'm correct) |
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Aug 17 2010, 04:07 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Actually, that's a *great* point: there's no reason the rest of the world would pronounce it 'correctly' (as a Tir native). English, for example, has an illustrious history of mispronouncing country names (and everything else). So… the most authentic pronunciation is 'teer tan-gear', or 'teer tare-n gyre', or however your brain wants! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Aug 17 2010, 04:13 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 28-February 10 Member No.: 18,210 |
QUOTE (Red_Cap @ Aug 17 2010, 05:40 AM) It helped me, for sure. I've been calling it Teer Taern-guy-er this whole time. Just for the record this is how I have always pronounced it myself and probably always will, but at least I can now tell both my asshat players that they were both wrong!! |
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Aug 17 2010, 06:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 420 Joined: 28-July 10 From: Salem, Tir Tairngere Member No.: 18,866 |
... Oh my lord, it never stops for Oregon, does it, even in the future. Even when we change the name people still get the pronunciation wrong. (Granted, I still pronounce the T's in TT so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) )
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Aug 17 2010, 06:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 431 Joined: 15-April 10 Member No.: 18,454 |
QUOTE (BlueMax @ Aug 17 2010, 11:31 AM) Tear Tangerine. Between this and Egg Na Nog, you have them beat. |
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Aug 17 2010, 07:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 542 Joined: 1-August 10 From: Occupied San Diego Member No.: 18,877 |
I always pronounced it Teer Tairn-guyer, but that's because it never really factored into any of our games and was just bad fluff from 1e.
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Aug 17 2010, 07:03 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,336 Joined: 25-February 08 From: San Mateo CA Member No.: 15,708 |
QUOTE (Acme @ Aug 17 2010, 10:51 AM) ... Oh my lord, it never stops for Oregon, does it, even in the future. Even when we change the name people still get the pronunciation wrong. (Granted, I still pronounce the T's in TT so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) ) Oh where, Oh where has Ori gone? BlueMax |
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Aug 17 2010, 07:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 420 Joined: 28-July 10 From: Salem, Tir Tairngere Member No.: 18,866 |
Wait, you consider TT bad fluff?
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Aug 17 2010, 08:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 734 Joined: 30-August 05 Member No.: 7,646 |
I think there was a website with Gaelic pronunciation .wav files for Shadowrun, but I don't recall the site or if it is even still around.
So, resorting to Google: Beginner's Guide to Irish Gaelic From that guide it would be: Tir : chir (roll the "r") Tairngire : chairangire (roll the "r", "a" inserted between "r" and "n" per "double constant" section of above guide; make wild guesses at syllables ...) |
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Aug 17 2010, 08:50 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Wa, USA Member No.: 1,139 |
I always knew elves were leprechauns... The Shamrocks are back in the Barrens!
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Aug 17 2010, 08:52 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
QUOTE (tete @ Aug 17 2010, 01:50 PM) I always knew elves were leprechauns... The Tamroks are back in the Barrens! FTFY =) |
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Aug 17 2010, 08:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 748 Joined: 22-April 07 From: Vermont Member No.: 11,507 |
Aside from the Sixth World Almanac, I could not find another Shadowrun source that gives a pronunciation.
Both Tír na nÓg and Tir Tairngire are real world terms, and all the related sources I have seen support the "T" sounding like "t" not "sh". So absent another source, I would ignore the 6WA pronunciations. |
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Aug 17 2010, 09:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 734 Joined: 30-August 05 Member No.: 7,646 |
QUOTE (MJBurrage @ Aug 17 2010, 03:53 PM) Aside from the Sixth World Almanac, I could not find another Shadowrun source that gives a pronunciation. Both Tír na nÓg and Tir Tairngire are real world terms, and all the related sources I have seen support the "T" sounding like "t" not "sh". So absent another source, I would ignore the 6WA pronunciations. The link you posted refer to Celtic sources, which, if I am not mistaken, is related to, but different than, Gaelic. As the Sixth World Almanac is similar to Gaelic pronunciation I cobbled together above, I would guess the pronunciation could have been put together by someone with a greater grasp of Gaelic than the beginner's guide represents. So, absent a more definitive reference for Gaelic, I wouldn't be so quick to discount the authors. Edit: Wiki article explaining the branches of the Celtic Languages, focusing on the Gaelic branch. |
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Aug 17 2010, 09:40 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Wa, USA Member No.: 1,139 |
"If" Shadowrun Elven (Spethireal) is Irish Gaelic it would be Ch, not Sh. The author is either making up his own thing based on Irish Gaelic (likely, cus you know they are elves not irish) or was confused. My source is a buddy who speaks Irish Gaelic but I'll let you look it up yourself as the internet seams to agree with him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Also since Irish Gaelic and Spethireal are both language options in older editions I would say they are not the same thing. Heck they are not even in the same language family! So there fore it shouldn't be anything like Irish Gaelic.
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Aug 17 2010, 09:40 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
To make that 't' sound, put your tongue in the position it would be to make an English 't' sound (maybe a tiny bit further back if you want to be all accurate) and blow air around your tongue rather than down the middle. This will sound a lot like an English 'ch' sound.
Yes, IAAL (linguist, in this case). And yes, I'm cunning, thanks. Stop that. |
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Aug 17 2010, 09:47 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
QUOTE (Aaron @ Aug 17 2010, 01:40 PM) To make that 't' sound, put your tongue in the position it would be to make an English 't' sound (maybe a tiny bit further back if you want to be all accurate) and blow air around your tongue rather than down the middle. This will sound a lot like an English 'ch' sound. Yes, IAAL (linguist, in this case). And yes, I'm cunning, thanks. Stop that. Does that mean I can't make a joke about felatious arguments? |
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Aug 17 2010, 09:49 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Wa, USA Member No.: 1,139 |
QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Aug 17 2010, 10:47 PM) Does that mean I can't make a joke about felatious arguments? Yes |
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Aug 17 2010, 11:24 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Woot, linguists represent! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'm quantitative socio, which may inform my 'however people decide to pronounce it is correct' stance. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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