 The German SR novels, How cannon/well-crafted are they? |
 Jun 8 2014, 10:51 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: 5-September 03 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Member No.: 5,585  |
Good Evening,
Was wondering if the german SR novels had made translation and how good/cannon they were? The Shockwave looks...interesting:) -Tir |
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Jun 8 2014, 11:49 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,654 Joined: 22-April 12 From: somewhere far beyond sanity Member No.: 51,886 |
Hit and miss, as the English novels.
I enjoyed most of the Poolitzer series (written by Markus Heitz), but the Deutschland in den Schatten trilogy by Alpers ... needs some getting used to. Wiener Blei by Lukas is utter crap, I can't remember the Assmann (yes, this guy probably would get a namechange with no questions asked in any English speaking country) novels, the books by Lara Möller, Maike Hallmann and André Wiesler are readable, but mostly nothing special. Bit far-fetched at times, but not too bad. The rest I haven't read. Regarding translations: I don't think any are available, but I could be mistaken. There were offers on the table, but the license situation proved too tangled, IIRC. As for canoninicity (is that a word? I think it is. If not, it is now): Stuff was retconned from the DidS trilogy, because no one needs immortal dwarves from below the Ruhrgebiet. The rest should be canon, since the German stories always had a degree of independence. |
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Jun 9 2014, 02:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: 5-September 03 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Member No.: 5,585 |
-Thank you for the breakdown.
Immortal dwarves....And I thought the rest of the togetherness brigade were insufferable on their own... -Tir:) |
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Jun 9 2014, 08:21 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,654 Joined: 22-April 12 From: somewhere far beyond sanity Member No.: 51,886 |
Sure, no problem.
But there's been a lot of stupidity since, and this is only a minor plot point in three otherwise entertaining novels with cyberware, riggers and other very SR-like stuff. So yeah, I can forgive the dwarves. Either, I'm getting mellower with age, or I'm a secret fan of dwarves. Or maybe not so secret. |
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Jun 9 2014, 01:30 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,094 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (bannockburn @ Jun 8 2014, 01:49 PM)  As for canoninicity (is that a word? I think it is. If not, it is now) OED says it is. But the DidS novels is actually were just as canon as the sourcebook they accompanied, the "it was just unreliable narrators" retconn came far later. If you want really bad canon violations, Digitaler Alptraum has Pax running around in Munich... |
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Jun 9 2014, 03:17 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Technically, immortality is something everybody can have and many in EarthDawn had . . and rich ones in Shadowrun do get it too.
I really dislike the Markus Heitz Books <.< |
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Jul 4 2014, 06:43 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
Leonization is not immortality, you get cellular breakdown after it's performed enough times.
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Jul 5 2014, 04:02 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
QUOTE (Fatum @ Jul 4 2014, 02:43 PM) Leonization is not immortality, you get cellular breakdown after it's performed enough times. you can unbreak them though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Jul 5 2014, 12:36 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
Can you? I seem to remember that once you get that, you die very quickly. Like, in hours.
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Jul 5 2014, 01:39 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
forget the name, too lazy to look it up (it's expensive enough that it never came up), but there's a genetic treatment that restores your essence after having the augmentation removed. you only need one leonization at a time, so...
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Jul 5 2014, 03:27 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
But cellular breakdown is a condition that has nothing to do with Essence loss. Besides, the Essence-restoring treatment takes months.
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Jul 5 2014, 03:39 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Fatum @ Jul 5 2014, 08:27 AM) But cellular breakdown is a condition that has nothing to do with Essence loss. Besides, the Essence-restoring treatment takes months. Which means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, since Cellular Breakdown as a side effect is left completely to GM fiat. There are no actual mechanics to refer to in this area of the discussion, because there are no actual mechanics for such effects. It is Plot Point only, and will vary form one table campaign to another (and will ultimately have absolutely no game effect whatsoever in actual play for 99.99999% of the characters so involved). |
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Jul 5 2014, 06:05 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
You say that as if leonization and aging in general are issues PC runners are likely to encounter.
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Jul 5 2014, 07:30 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,039 Joined: 23-March 05 From: The heart of Rywfol Emwolb Industries Member No.: 7,216 |
Depends, one could always start up a campaign of SeniorRun™ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Jul 5 2014, 10:22 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Fatum @ Jul 5 2014, 11:05 AM) You say that as if leonization and aging in general are issues PC runners are likely to encounter. My Cyberlogician was actually considering Leonization at the end of the campaign arc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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