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 Sep 12 2004, 09:13 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 15-August 04 From: Columbia, PA Member No.: 6,562  |
Was just looking through the 3e Critters book and something came to mind. What happened to Wraiths?
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Sep 12 2004, 09:16 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
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Sep 12 2004, 09:31 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Check Survival of the Fittest for Canon description and stats.
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Sep 12 2004, 10:14 PM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Whoa. Are wraiths actually Horrors???
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Sep 12 2004, 10:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 993 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 313 |
I always thought that Wraiths were big in Atzlan, so them being a Horror type makes sense.
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Sep 12 2004, 10:22 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
A few people on here seem to think so. Myself included. Along with Nomads as well. I personally think the Shedim are at least Horror related |
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Sep 12 2004, 10:25 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
It's hard to tell. At the very least, Wraiths are Horror-constructs, if not minor Horrors. Thankfully, no demiwraiths have been sighted yet.
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Sep 12 2004, 10:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 993 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 313 |
Shedim might be Horror related, but I could also see them as Horror chow, just like everything else. Perhaps they are the spirit version to the physical constructs you encounter in "Harlequins Back". |
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Sep 12 2004, 10:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 1-September 04 Member No.: 6,621 |
Don't give them ideas :) |
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Sep 12 2004, 10:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 993 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 313 |
I kinda like the old rules on Wraiths from Paranormal Animals of Europe, "The wraith's Spirit Energy rating generally begins at 0, then increases by 1 point for every point (box) of Stun of Physical damage a victim under its influence does to another living being or inanimate structure."
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Sep 12 2004, 10:40 PM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Funny, I always thought of the Nomads as horror-related too...(nasty GM ideas buzzing around in my head)
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Sep 12 2004, 11:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 226 Joined: 29-July 03 Member No.: 5,137 |
The only problem with the old wraith rules is that there was nothing to stop them from becoming nigh unto god within days. With those rules they progess in force at an insane rate.
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Sep 12 2004, 11:33 PM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Isn't the highest spirit energy a spirit can accumulate equal to it's force???
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Sep 13 2004, 12:03 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I'd have to check. THere are intimations that nomads may be connected to Horrors. Certainly, they have the right pattern of behavior.
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Sep 13 2004, 12:34 AM
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That's a bad thing? |
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Sep 13 2004, 12:43 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
You are correct. Page 114, MITS |
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Sep 13 2004, 12:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 993 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 313 |
It would require some more bookkeeping, but you could make a wraith's Spirit Energy temporary, like vampire essence. Loss rate of 1 point per day.
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Sep 13 2004, 12:49 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
That is a good thing? |
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Sep 13 2004, 12:58 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
The old rules for a wraith also altered the spirit energy maximum to double its force.
As for shedim, I have been trying to spot a flaw in the concept of them as a tainted portion of the planes of the dead. Where ancestor spirits come from a hard to find plane where the best and brightest seem to live on, the villanous dead would be easy to use as pawns with merely the promise of renewed life. The cruelest and most trecharous would be the greater shedim, while every bit of greedy street scum could become a regular shedim. |
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Sep 13 2004, 12:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
The spirit energy cap prevents it from getting out of hand, but I don't think my group will be seeing these anytime soon. They're almost all mundane; magical threats have them for lunch.
edit: Herald, your description of Shedim reminds me a lot of the Reality Dysfunction series. Have you ever read it? Basically, the dead start coming back from some intermediate dimension and taking over people's bodies. A damn good read, if almost pornographic at times. |
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Sep 13 2004, 01:33 AM
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It is if you're the GM. |
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Sep 13 2004, 02:54 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Then the GM wins the Shadowrun? |
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Sep 13 2004, 02:58 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
The GM always wins teh Shadowrun.
~J |
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Sep 13 2004, 03:05 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Speaking of the GM always winning...
City dwellers have to deal with fly-by pigeon crapping. Can you imagine a dragon with indigestion? -Siege |
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Sep 13 2004, 03:19 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Can you imagine a SPACE dragon with indigestion? Obital Drek Bombardment. |
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Sep 13 2004, 04:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 1-September 04 Member No.: 6,621 |
Those are good books. I'd say the ending was a bit cheesy, but he built the deus ex machina in from the beginning, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. PS: Peter Hamilton wrote them, in case anyone wants to look them up. |
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Sep 13 2004, 05:37 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 2-September 04 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 6,624 |
The end was cheesy, but overall I really enjoyed the books. I especially liked the Edenists with their biotech.
Peter Hamilton has another series out that is near future involving a psionic detective. Those books read a lot like Shadowrun, except without trolls, elves, etc. As far as the wraith go, they do sound like mini horrors. At least in terms of what they do and how they do it. |
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Sep 13 2004, 08:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
What's the name of that detective series? I'm getting desperately low on fresh reading material.
P.S. Sorry for contributing to topic drift, but this topic was doomed the minute dragon poop started flying. |
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Sep 13 2004, 08:31 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Falling. The instant the dragon poop started falling.
Although I suppose that depends on what the dragon was doing at the time... -Siege |
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Sep 14 2004, 12:42 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 3-May 04 Member No.: 6,299 |
It never fails. You get your car washed, then along comes some flying lizard who wants to play poo-poo bombardier. |
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Sep 14 2004, 10:41 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 2-September 04 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 6,624 |
The books are and year of publication are: 1993 Mindstar Rising 1994 A Quantum Murder 1995 The Nano Flower They are collectively known as the Greg Mandel series, as that is the name of the main character. Strangely enough, Peter Hamilton also wrote a book called Fallen Dragon |
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Sep 14 2004, 12:51 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
You say that like that's bad :grinbig: |
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