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Nerdynick
post Oct 16 2010, 05:01 PM
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Pretty much what it sounds like, what is the standard issue for UCAS Military? (If you want to narrow that, Army infantry). I'm talking about both equipment and implants.

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The Grue Master
post Oct 17 2010, 03:43 AM
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There was another thread about this topic that turned into an argument about whether the gummint would invest 50k worth of armor/arms on your average grunt. I tend to use a sliding scale of coolness for my various baddies (that my runners encounter all over the world).

Badly-Equipped Grunts:
No Armor or [3/0] Armor
SMG or Assault Rifle w/ No Mods

Generic Grunts:
[6/4] Camo + Helmet [1/2]
SMG or Assault Rifle w/ Minor Mods (many stock weapons have laser sights, gas-vent 2s, etc)

Well-Equipped Grunts:
[8/6] Camo Armor + Full Helmet [2/2] w/ Commlink, Vision/Audio Mods, Biomonitor (As these are issued by a large army use the 'customized' encumberance rules)
SMG or Assault Rifle w/ Good Mods (Smartlink + GasVent/Supressor w/ Specialized Ammo)

Specially-Equipped Grunts:
These are a real challenge to most shadowrunners and I tend to design them as a combat oriented team (hacker/gunbunnies/hwep guy and maybe a mage). Each of them is either sporting previously mentioned armor or something out of the books (security armor from SR4A but customized) or Military Armor (Light and Medium). Here I'd just give the baddies whatever your guys can barely handle. If your runners are emptying rounds into these guys and the bullets just bounce off, make sure this is what you want.

Once my team was recruited by the army as cover for an op and I tried to come up with what sort of gear they might be given access to as standard infantry: couple sets of fatigues, previously mentioned [8/6] combat armor and a few special firearms (they were in the desert so I just modified some guns to include Smartlinks and Extreme Environment Mod) and gave them military commlinks (TacNet 2, Firewall + Encryption 5). You can also expect units to be issued specialized equipment for missions in specific environments (desert, artic, etc) that will include obvious necessities. Even with the accessories, this stuff still wouldn't run you anywhere near the budget of most Military Armor (which requires mobility enhancements and such).
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- Nerdynick   UCAS Military Standard Issue?   Oct 16 2010, 05:01 PM
- - Angelone   Soldiers are mentioned in various books (Cybertech...   Oct 16 2010, 05:25 PM
- - Jesher   Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't MilSpec arm...   Oct 16 2010, 05:28 PM
- - Summerstorm   Good question. Was there anything official. Have t...   Oct 16 2010, 05:31 PM
- - CanRay   Well, I'd be issuing them with a minimum of Ar...   Oct 16 2010, 05:31 PM
- - Angelone   Milspec is more for Special Forces. It's way t...   Oct 16 2010, 05:32 PM
- - Stingray   Camouflage Suit (8/6) w/o Body Minimum of 4,gives ...   Oct 16 2010, 07:02 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Stingray @ Oct 16 2010, 02:02 PM) ...   Oct 16 2010, 07:33 PM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Stingray @ Oct 16 2010, 09:02 PM) ...   Oct 16 2010, 08:52 PM
- - Summerstorm   Also... why not take the penalty? Never understood...   Oct 16 2010, 08:12 PM
- - KarmaInferno   I keep thinking we'll start seeing troops ridi...   Oct 17 2010, 03:04 AM
- - TheScrivener   Ah, but the segways will have minds of their own   Oct 17 2010, 03:18 AM
- - The Grue Master   There was another thread about this topic that tur...   Oct 17 2010, 03:43 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I dunno if 'no armor' is possible in world...   Oct 17 2010, 03:50 AM
|- - The Grue Master   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 16 2010, 11:50 PM...   Oct 17 2010, 04:28 AM
- - AppliedCheese   Well, under the assumption that the UCAS has conti...   Oct 17 2010, 04:10 AM
|- - Nath   QUOTE (AppliedCheese @ Oct 17 2010, 06:10...   Oct 19 2010, 08:21 PM
- - Angelone   @ AppliedCheese, unfortunately 1 is roughly ...   Oct 17 2010, 04:14 PM
- - WhiskeyMac   You could probably get a nice cyber-suite as a re-...   Oct 17 2010, 05:01 PM
- - AppliedCheese   I could see that. Kind of like they do pilot and d...   Oct 17 2010, 07:36 PM
- - Angelone   4x 2072 Dollars. It's still a bad conversion r...   Oct 17 2010, 07:41 PM
- - AppliedCheese   Ah. Allow me to clarify. All prices listed are in ...   Oct 17 2010, 08:10 PM
- - Kliko   Ok, so whats our budget/grunt? And per frontline ...   Oct 17 2010, 08:21 PM
- - AppliedCheese   Well, the, the current gear only budget is $1...   Oct 18 2010, 03:03 AM
- - Ian Argent   I've kicked this around a couple times. I don...   Oct 18 2010, 03:48 AM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Ian Argent @ Oct 18 2010, 05:48 AM...   Oct 18 2010, 01:18 PM
- - Kliko   Ok, so lets go wild and say: - Grunt: 20k total ...   Oct 18 2010, 11:11 AM
- - Kliko   Lets see, note this gear is from sr3, but should b...   Oct 18 2010, 05:09 PM
- - Nerdynick   Hmmmm. I'm not so sure about the average grun...   Oct 18 2010, 09:00 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Nerdynick @ Oct 18 2010, 05:00 PM)...   Oct 18 2010, 09:06 PM
||- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Critias @ Oct 18 2010, 06:06 PM) T...   Oct 18 2010, 09:11 PM
||- - Ian Argent   QUOTE (Critias @ Oct 18 2010, 05:06 PM) T...   Oct 18 2010, 10:12 PM
||- - CanRay   QUOTE (Critias @ Oct 18 2010, 04:06 PM) T...   Oct 19 2010, 03:53 AM
|- - Kliko   QUOTE (Nerdynick @ Oct 18 2010, 04:00 PM)...   Oct 18 2010, 09:15 PM
- - AppliedCheese   Kliko, I think your budgeting low. Aim more toward...   Oct 18 2010, 10:08 PM
|- - Kliko   QUOTE (AppliedCheese @ Oct 18 2010, 05:08...   Oct 19 2010, 02:05 PM
- - Neurosis   I dig this topic. I'll take a stab at it later...   Oct 19 2010, 12:50 AM
- - Nerdynick   Well at that point you yank out whatever chrome Un...   Oct 19 2010, 10:54 AM
- - sabs   Combat Drugs are highly addictive. Though perhaps...   Oct 19 2010, 02:10 PM
- - CanRay   Drugs and the military have been a touchy subject ...   Oct 19 2010, 02:14 PM
- - Apathy   It doesn't make sense to cyber soldiers with w...   Oct 19 2010, 07:25 PM
- - sabs   I could see a 10 year veteran who has seen action ...   Oct 19 2010, 07:30 PM
- - Doc Chase   I wouldn't want to waste my time and money put...   Oct 19 2010, 07:35 PM
- - sabs   But DOD is almost certainly putting in a base line...   Oct 19 2010, 07:37 PM
- - Doc Chase   With options to upgrade it if he wants to pay for ...   Oct 19 2010, 07:41 PM
- - sabs   Nah these days everything is shipped out to the hi...   Oct 19 2010, 07:44 PM
- - Doc Chase   Congress isn't the one that approves the contr...   Oct 19 2010, 07:45 PM
- - sabs   True, but it does help. And the Military Industri...   Oct 19 2010, 07:48 PM
- - Doc Chase   I think we're straying from the point, but we ...   Oct 19 2010, 07:52 PM
- - sabs   True. Unless Ares starts doing things like throwi...   Oct 19 2010, 07:54 PM
- - Doc Chase   The UCAS has a fairly good Medical Corps available...   Oct 19 2010, 08:07 PM
- - Nerdynick   As for drugs and the military (in 2070), Lonestar ...   Oct 19 2010, 08:21 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Nerdynick @ Oct 19 2010, 08:21 PM)...   Oct 19 2010, 08:39 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Oct 19 2010, 05:39 PM)...   Oct 19 2010, 09:43 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Oct 19 2010, 10:39 PM)...   Oct 19 2010, 10:38 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Oct 19 2010, 10...   Oct 19 2010, 10:42 PM
- - Nerdynick   You make a good point.   Oct 19 2010, 08:57 PM
- - Doc Chase   Don't tell anyone; it'll damage my credibi...   Oct 19 2010, 09:15 PM
- - TheScrivener   Yeah, I'd have to say the Doc is right here. ...   Oct 19 2010, 11:04 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (TheScrivener @ Oct 20 2010, 01:04 ...   Oct 20 2010, 12:54 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Oct 20 2010, 01...   Oct 20 2010, 01:41 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Oct 20 2010, 03:41 PM)...   Oct 20 2010, 03:37 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Oct 20 2010, 03...   Oct 20 2010, 04:32 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Oct 20 2010, 05:32 PM)...   Oct 20 2010, 04:49 PM
- - Nerdynick   We're moving away from the topic.   Oct 20 2010, 01:15 AM
- - Doc Chase   Are we? Drugs were mentioned, and I explained why...   Oct 20 2010, 02:29 AM
- - Mesh   This thread is too realistic. This is the dystopic...   Oct 20 2010, 06:53 AM
- - Critias   It just comes down to how dystopic a future you...   Oct 20 2010, 07:10 AM
- - IKerensky   Yeah... like in RL, soldiers aren't exposed to...   Oct 20 2010, 07:42 AM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (IKerensky @ Oct 20 2010, 08:42 AM)...   Oct 20 2010, 01:09 PM
- - sabs   Not to mention that the guys at Ft Lewis have to d...   Oct 20 2010, 01:59 PM
- - Kliko   I don't really care about the drugs. But I...   Oct 20 2010, 02:56 PM
- - sabs   Grunt 'Combat Kit' Light Military Spec Arm...   Oct 20 2010, 04:02 PM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 20 2010, 07:02 PM) Grun...   Oct 20 2010, 04:57 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (Stingray @ Oct 20 2010, 05:57 PM) ...   Oct 20 2010, 05:06 PM
- - sabs   K-10 (Blood of Kali) also knows as Kamikaze Grade ...   Oct 20 2010, 04:44 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 20 2010, 06:44 PM) K-10...   Oct 20 2010, 11:11 PM
- - Kliko   Rather shock pads, foregrip, gas vent I and altern...   Oct 20 2010, 05:20 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Is milspec armor intended to be 'normal' f...   Oct 20 2010, 05:26 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 20 2010, 05:26 PM...   Oct 20 2010, 05:57 PM
|- - Kliko   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 20 2010, 01:26 PM...   Oct 20 2010, 06:12 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's either their own software (free distribut...   Oct 20 2010, 06:12 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 20 2010, 06:12 PM...   Oct 20 2010, 06:14 PM
- - AppliedCheese   Ooh...if we're not adding the cost of programs...   Oct 20 2010, 06:21 PM
- - sabs   CYBCOM is starting to go in house already. So I th...   Oct 20 2010, 06:26 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 20 2010, 07:26 PM) CYBC...   Oct 20 2010, 07:29 PM
- - AppliedCheese   A problem. Light military armor, with its helmet, ...   Oct 20 2010, 07:13 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (AppliedCheese @ Oct 20 2010, 07:13...   Oct 20 2010, 07:35 PM
- - sabs   Why is 22k out of the budget for the UCAS Milita...   Oct 20 2010, 07:19 PM
- - AppliedCheese   I think Kliko worked the GDP to person versus sust...   Oct 20 2010, 07:23 PM
- - sabs   We'll also not taking into account bulk orderi...   Oct 20 2010, 07:28 PM
- - sabs   They turn in their commo gear to be maintained, de...   Oct 20 2010, 07:34 PM
- - sabs   We did say this was a combat kit for grunts... Thi...   Oct 20 2010, 07:39 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 20 2010, 07:39 PM) We d...   Oct 20 2010, 07:43 PM
- - Kliko   I just assumed a number. We can also agree on a hi...   Oct 20 2010, 07:46 PM
- - sabs   True.. it probably would be just about right. Cour...   Oct 20 2010, 07:47 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 20 2010, 08:47 PM) True...   Oct 20 2010, 07:51 PM
- - AppliedCheese   Adding in known retail values for a lot of the wea...   Oct 20 2010, 07:47 PM
- - Neurosis   Damnit, this thread is running away with me. I...   Oct 20 2010, 07:52 PM
- - WhiskeyMac   Well, taking a quick peek at my clothing record I...   Oct 20 2010, 09:19 PM
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