 Influence Skill Group - why no Intimidation?, Skills |
 Nov 8 2010, 05:29 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 4-November 10 Member No.: 19,151  |
Why isn't the Intimidation skill part of the Influence Skill Group?
You can "influence" others with Etiquette, but making people do things using coercion is not influencing them!? Anyone care to explain this, please? |
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Nov 8 2010, 07:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 944 Joined: 19-February 03 Member No.: 4,128 |
I have thought about renaming the RAW Influence group "Nice Influence" and make an alternate skill group, "Nasty Influence", that replaces Leadership with Intimidation.
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Nov 8 2010, 08:11 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652 |
QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Nov 8 2010, 02:27 PM)  I have thought about renaming the RAW Influence group "Nice Influence" and make an alternate skill group, "Nasty Influence", that replaces Leadership with Intimidation. People often seem to forget that leadership includes persuasion, since they're always so quick to drop it. If anything, it should drop negotiation, since someone who resorts to holding their gun to someone's head is still going to be persuasive but not so great at negotiations that don't include an open weapon. |
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Nov 8 2010, 08:17 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,536 Joined: 13-July 09 Member No.: 17,389 |
QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 8 2010, 03:11 PM) People often seem to forget that leadership includes persuasion, since they're always so quick to drop it. If anything, it should drop negotiation, since someone who resorts to holding their gun to someone's head is still going to be persuasive but not so great at negotiations that don't include an open weapon. Nasty Leader. Violent Bloodthirsty Warlord. |
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Jizmack Influence Skill Group - why no Intimidation? Nov 8 2010, 05:29 AM
Yerameyahu It already has *four* skills in the group. I guess... Nov 8 2010, 05:32 AM Karoline Because Influence is just a name, and it is the na... Nov 8 2010, 05:39 AM
Hound QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 8 2010, 01:39 AM) Y... Nov 8 2010, 09:15 AM
Neurosis QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 8 2010, 12:39 AM) B... Nov 9 2010, 04:53 PM Mäx QUOTE (Neurosis @ Nov 9 2010, 06:53 PM) C... Nov 9 2010, 05:27 PM Critias QUOTE (Jizmack @ Nov 8 2010, 12:29 AM) Wh... Nov 8 2010, 06:56 AM phlapjack77 Isn't Intimidation just a form of aggressive N... Nov 8 2010, 09:50 AM Aku QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Nov 8 2010, 04:50 AM... Nov 8 2010, 05:29 PM Rotbart van Dainig Flight is in the Athletics Group, making it 5 ther... Nov 8 2010, 05:54 PM Karoline QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Nov 8 2010, 12... Nov 8 2010, 06:26 PM Axe QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 8 2010, 01:26 PM) Y... Nov 8 2010, 06:38 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Nov 8 2010, 01... Nov 8 2010, 06:36 PM sabs because 1 point in a skill group is equal to the c... Nov 8 2010, 06:55 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (sabs @ Nov 8 2010, 01:55 PM) becau... Nov 8 2010, 06:58 PM Karoline Which would kind of fall under my theory of droppi... Nov 8 2010, 08:26 PM Shinobi Killfist The real question for me is why did they feel the ... Nov 8 2010, 08:44 PM Karoline I think five is reasonable. Maybe could have trim... Nov 8 2010, 08:49 PM sabs QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 8 2010, 08:49 PM) I... Nov 8 2010, 08:52 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 8 2010, 03:49 PM) I... Nov 8 2010, 09:03 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 8 2010, 03:49 PM) I... Nov 8 2010, 09:42 PM Yerameyahu Entirely renovating the skill system isn't rea... Nov 8 2010, 09:46 PM sabs Sometimes I think the game would be better with no... Nov 8 2010, 09:53 PM Karoline QUOTE (sabs @ Nov 8 2010, 04:53 PM) Somet... Nov 8 2010, 10:24 PM Redcrow QUOTE (sabs @ Nov 8 2010, 03:53 PM) Somet... Nov 8 2010, 10:47 PM Ascalaphus Well, the number of different skills needed to be ... Nov 8 2010, 11:48 PM Zyerne Personally, I'd take leadership out if I was g... Nov 8 2010, 11:52 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Zyerne @ Nov 8 2010, 06:52 PM) Per... Nov 9 2010, 01:06 PM Karoline I don't think a face really needs intimidation... Nov 8 2010, 11:56 PM Ascalaphus QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 9 2010, 01:56 AM) I... Nov 9 2010, 12:20 AM Mongoose QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 9 2010, 12:56 AM) I... Nov 9 2010, 02:33 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Mongoose @ Nov 8 2010, 07:33 PM) I... Nov 9 2010, 03:13 AM Mongoose QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 9 2010, 03... Nov 9 2010, 03:30 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Mongoose @ Nov 8 2010, 08:30 PM) T... Nov 9 2010, 03:45 AM Zyerne Arbitary exclusion, yes, but also perhaps the most... Nov 9 2010, 12:39 AM Ascalaphus QUOTE (Zyerne @ Nov 9 2010, 02:39 AM) Arb... Nov 9 2010, 01:14 AM Karoline Leadership = persuasion. Persuasion is very impor... Nov 9 2010, 01:33 AM Saint Sithney QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 8 2010, 05:33 PM) L... Nov 9 2010, 11:08 AM Zyerne A loaded gun can be equally persuasive. Nov 9 2010, 01:38 AM Karoline Not really. Nov 9 2010, 01:40 AM tagz The stick stops working as soon as it's not fe... Nov 9 2010, 01:54 AM Raiki Well, there would have to be at least one more ski... Nov 9 2010, 02:51 AM Yerameyahu Or maybe they're all styles of Intimidation. O... Nov 9 2010, 03:17 AM Jizmack Thanks for everyone’s comments!
Not sure abou... Nov 9 2010, 03:57 AM Yerameyahu On the contrary, social skills can be way too stro... Nov 9 2010, 04:02 AM Karoline The fact that a face archetype exists and is commo... Nov 9 2010, 04:04 AM Jizmack Yeah, I suppose it’s really specific to the campai... Nov 9 2010, 04:09 AM tagz Shadowrun being the setting that it is has enormou... Nov 9 2010, 04:26 AM Redcrow The one long-term social interaction in SR that I ... Nov 9 2010, 08:11 AM Ascalaphus Intimidation is also used to resist Intimidation. ... Nov 9 2010, 01:33 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Nov 9 2010, 08:33 AM)... Nov 9 2010, 01:35 PM KarmaInferno I see the various Influence skills as cooperative,... Nov 9 2010, 03:24 PM Ascalaphus I think most of the social skills are antagonistic... Nov 9 2010, 04:43 PM Jizmack QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Nov 9 2010, 08:43 AM)... Nov 9 2010, 06:45 PM KarmaInferno Yeah, but the Influence skills generally get their... Nov 9 2010, 04:51 PM Yerameyahu I'd go for that. Everyone needs Etiquette anyw... Nov 9 2010, 07:50 PM Irion To get back to to the question:
First: A skill gro... Nov 9 2010, 07:52 PM Tyro Y'know, Leadership gets a lot of dirty looks, ... Nov 10 2010, 09:22 PM Yerameyahu I dunno if I've ever seen Leadership used, act... Nov 10 2010, 09:24 PM Zyerne Having been looking over the pregens again I'v... Nov 10 2010, 09:25 PM Karoline Well, the pre-gens are generally fairly bad. Face... Nov 10 2010, 09:27 PM Zyerne I think it's partly an illustration of the ... Nov 10 2010, 09:30 PM Karoline True, but it seems like an absurd waste for 1 extr... Nov 10 2010, 09:38 PM Zyerne I'm not disputing that at all, had a long conv... Nov 10 2010, 09:41 PM Karoline QUOTE (Zyerne @ Nov 10 2010, 04:41 PM) I... Nov 10 2010, 09:49 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 10 2010, 04:49 PM) ... Nov 10 2010, 09:56 PM Zyerne If I ever recreate my old SR2 merc, she'd take... Nov 10 2010, 09:53 PM Karoline Okay, I shouldn't say never take it, but gener... Nov 10 2010, 09:59 PM Zyerne Can't argue with that one Nov 10 2010, 10:05 PM Aku People swim in SR, i thought it was like GTA where... Nov 11 2010, 01:50 AM Karoline QUOTE (Aku @ Nov 10 2010, 08:50 PM) Peopl... Nov 11 2010, 02:40 AM Ascalaphus The problem with swimming skills seems to me that ... Nov 11 2010, 12:37 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Nov 11 2010, 07:37 AM... Nov 11 2010, 01:17 PM Inncubi Back to leadership, I am quite fond of the leader ... Nov 11 2010, 01:51 PM Aku QUOTE (Inncubi @ Nov 11 2010, 08:51 AM) B... Nov 11 2010, 02:22 PM Inncubi QUOTE (Aku @ Nov 11 2010, 09:22 AM) Well,... Nov 11 2010, 02:30 PM Aku QUOTE (Inncubi @ Nov 11 2010, 09:30 AM) I... Nov 11 2010, 03:32 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Aku @ Nov 11 2010, 10:32 AM) O got... Nov 11 2010, 03:45 PM Inncubi QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Nov 11 2010, 10:45 ... Nov 11 2010, 06:28 PM Jizmack QUOTE (Aku @ Nov 11 2010, 06:22 AM) Micky... Nov 11 2010, 06:23 PM Aku QUOTE (Jizmack @ Nov 11 2010, 01:23 PM) I... Nov 11 2010, 06:50 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Jizmack @ Nov 11 2010, 02:23 PM) I... Nov 11 2010, 06:59 PM Jizmack QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Nov 11 2010, 10... Nov 11 2010, 07:40 PM Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Jizmack @ Nov 11 2010, 02:40 PM) N... Nov 11 2010, 08:03 PM StealthSigma New Specialization for the Leadership skill...
Le... Nov 11 2010, 03:20 PM Yerameyahu Well, any *reasonable* number can assist on skills... Nov 11 2010, 03:46 PM StealthSigma QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 11 2010, 10:46 AM... Nov 11 2010, 03:51 PM Yerameyahu Really can't, in SR4. Either the sniper can se... Nov 11 2010, 03:54 PM Mäx Yeah for some to be able to help in sniping with t... Nov 11 2010, 05:21 PM sabs I would allow someone to use their Logic+longarms ... Nov 11 2010, 05:35 PM Jizmack The listed Leadership Specializations: Gut Check, ... Nov 11 2010, 07:31 PM Inncubi Well, the house rule was effective in my game, tha... Nov 11 2010, 08:33 PM Yerameyahu I'm pretty concerned about the Strategy and Ta... Nov 11 2010, 08:42 PM Jizmack In the context of a typical Shadowrun Team, I basi... Nov 11 2010, 08:51 PM sabs Leadership as a tactician would not be a 'char... Nov 11 2010, 09:17 PM Jizmack QUOTE (sabs @ Nov 11 2010, 01:17 PM) Lead... Nov 11 2010, 09:29 PM Yerameyahu Perhaps it means 'Leadership in combat' (... Nov 11 2010, 09:21 PM |
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