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[Garvel]

What is the logic rating of a totally average troll?
I always thought that it would be 2. I thought an average troll is less intelligent than an average human, who has logic 3, and that logic 3 would be an "Improved" rating for a troll instead of a "Typical". But after some discussion here on dumpshock i got some doubts.

I was used to thinking this way from SR3, but the effect of a negative Metatype-attribute-modifiers changed from SR3 to SR4. In SR4 it only reduces the maximum limit, which doesn't effect a logic rating of 3 at all. An troll pays the same BP or karma to raise his logic to 3 as a human does. Was this change on purpose to make average trolls and orks as intelligent as the other metatypes, and only geniuses are rarer among them?

In the SR4A book I can only find "typical" attribute ratings for humans on page 67.

1 Weak
2 Underdeveloped
3 Typical
4 Improved
5 Superior
6 Max unmodified human

But I can't find an explicit value for an "typical" troll or ork attribute rating.
On page 73 it says:

Though stereotyped as stupid or frightening, trolls are no less intelligent or well mannered than other metatypes, though they do suffer from disproportionally high illiteracy and poverty rates.

This would suggest strongly that their "typical" logic is 3, but on the other hand on page 66 it says:

They are a lot tougher (much higher Body), less agile (lower Agility), much stronger (higher Strength), less charismatic (lower Charisma), less perceptive (lower Intuition), and less acute (lower Logic) than humans.

In my understanding this says the exact opposite of the pervious quoute (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

When I look at sample characters and connections, they don't seem to have lower logic attributes than other races, but then again they are just examples and aren't thought to be total average.

I wrote this for logic, but I would also like to know for other attributes of metahumans what is "typical", "Improved" or "underdeveloped".
What is the typical charisma rating for trolls or orks? What is the typical body and stength rating of a pixi? Is the typical strength for a troll 7 or is it less, since he doesn't have more karma than a human does to improve it?

How do you play it in your game? Is an ork runner PC with logic 2 and charisma 2 a bit stupid and a bit urgly for an ork or is he perfect average for an ork in this aspect.

[phlapjack77]

I've had people from five different states (No, I don't remember them) compliment me on how well I learned to "Speak American" after they found out I was Canadian. "Although, you do sound like a Yankee.".

Those people all probably were from Texas, but didn't want to admit it. The Yankee comment almost seals the deal.

No time to list it all here.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/notworthy.gif)

Hey, Texas is a Damn Fine State... What's wrong with those of us that hale from there? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

I'm not messing with Texas...

<backs away slowly>

[CanRay]

Those people all probably were from Texas, but didn't want to admit it. The Yankee comment almost seals the deal.

Southern States and the Bible Belt, I remember that. Maybe one was Texas, but no guarantee.

Although one nice Baptist Preacher complimented me on my speaking ability and ability to make myself clear and understood no matter the difficulty of the situation. I was quite complimented.

I introduced myself in one call, and instantly got, "ARE YEW A GAWD-DAMNED YANKEE?" To which I instantly and angrily replied, "No, Sir, I most certainly am NOT!"

...

"Whall, all right then, you're good in muh book."

One of the best calls I ever had. And I didn't even have to lie.

[phlapjack77]

Southern States and the Bible Belt, I remember that. Maybe one was Texas, but no guarantee.

Although one nice Baptist Preacher complimented me on my speaking ability and ability to make myself clear and understood no matter the difficulty of the situation. I was quite complimented.

I introduced myself in one call, and instantly got, "ARE YEW A GAWD-DAMNED YANKEE?" To which I instantly and angrily replied, "No, Sir, I most certainly am NOT!"

...

"Whall, all right then, you're good in muh book."

One of the best calls I ever had. And I didn't even have to lie.

Unfortunately, many people in the South are like that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

Drives the rest of us crazy with the stereotyping. At least I'm not from Texas (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)