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Thanee
post Oct 3 2012, 12:05 PM
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I'm always wondering how this is supposed to work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You can use Edge to negate a Glitch.

But can you also use Edge to gain extra hits, despite having rolled a Glitch (without negating it, of course)?

i.e. you roll 10 dice, 2 hits and a Glitch. Can you use Edge to re-roll 8 dice, in order to increase the number of hits you get (but still suffer the Glitch)?

Or does a Glitch automatically negate all other Edge-options (apart from negating the Glitch, that is)?

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post Oct 3 2012, 01:29 PM
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Interesting. I always thought that you can negate a glitch by re-rolling dice without hits. Now I know better. I wonder if I'll keep that houserule. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 3 2012, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE (bannockburn @ Oct 3 2012, 09:29 AM) *
Interesting. I always thought that you can negate a glitch by re-rolling dice without hits. Now I know better. I wonder if I'll keep that houserule. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


There's not enough evidence to prove one way or another.
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post Oct 3 2012, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Oct 3 2012, 09:42 AM) *
There's not enough evidence to prove one way or another.


This. At my table, if you pick up failed dice and reroll them, they're no longer 1s. Glitches aren't determined until after the dice stop rolling.
So at our table you can "negate" a glitch by rerolling the dice.

Maybe it doesn't make sense "any other way" if the rule exists...unless it doesn't make any sense for the rule to exist.

It's like an if(false) { } statement in programming. It'll never execute, but it'll compile anyway!
(Most compilers will throw a warning that it won't ever execute, but there are valid reasons to do it).

(Similarly there's if(a != a) { }--read "if a value does not equal itself," which appears at first glance to always evaluate to false, but there is one case where it will evaluate to true: NaN.* All comparisons for equality to NaN return false. I.e. NaN == NaN will return false, so the inverse will return true).

*Special value, "Not A Number." Happens when you attempt to divide by 0 or similar.
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- Thanee   Edge and Glitches   Oct 3 2012, 12:05 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   If you re-rolled, instead of negating the glitch, ...   Oct 3 2012, 01:17 PM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 3 2012, 03...   Oct 3 2012, 03:19 PM
|- - mister__joshua   QUOTE (Thanee @ Oct 3 2012, 04:19 PM) Oth...   Oct 3 2012, 03:35 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Thanee @ Oct 3 2012, 11:19 AM) Can...   Oct 3 2012, 03:40 PM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 3 2012, 05:40 PM) 1...   Oct 3 2012, 05:05 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Thanee @ Oct 3 2012, 01:05 PM) Why...   Oct 3 2012, 05:14 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 3 2012, 01:14 PM) E...   Oct 3 2012, 05:25 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Oct 3 2012, 01:25 P...   Oct 3 2012, 05:58 PM
||- - Aerospider   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Oct 3 2012, 06:25 P...   Oct 3 2012, 06:10 PM
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||- - Aerospider   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Oct 3 2012, 07:38 P...   Oct 4 2012, 01:04 AM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 3 2012, 07:14 PM) E...   Oct 3 2012, 06:09 PM
- - bannockburn   Interesting. I always thought that you can negate ...   Oct 3 2012, 01:29 PM
|- - mister__joshua   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Oct 3 2012, 02:29 PM...   Oct 3 2012, 01:40 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Oct 3 2012, 09:29 AM...   Oct 3 2012, 01:42 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Oct 3 2012, 09:42 A...   Oct 3 2012, 03:13 PM
|- - StealthSigma   I'm going to throw a wrench at it. Adding edg...   Oct 3 2012, 03:18 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 3 2012, 05:13 PM) T...   Oct 3 2012, 03:56 PM
||- - Aerospider   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Oct 3 2012, 04:5...   Oct 3 2012, 05:54 PM
|- - forgarn   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 3 2012, 11:13 AM) T...   Oct 3 2012, 04:49 PM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (forgarn @ Oct 3 2012, 11:49 AM) By...   Oct 4 2012, 04:22 AM
|- - Garvel   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Oct 4 2012, 05:22 AM) ...   Oct 4 2012, 05:26 AM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Garvel @ Oct 4 2012, 01:26 AM) But...   Oct 5 2012, 04:09 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Garvel @ Oct 3 2012, 11:26 PM) ...   Oct 7 2012, 09:22 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Oct 7 2012, 05:22 PM) fuc...   Oct 7 2012, 10:23 PM
||- - Udoshi   page 74. Its one of the ways you can get edge back...   Oct 7 2012, 10:26 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Oct 7 2012, 06:26 PM) pag...   Oct 8 2012, 12:45 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Oct 7 2012, 10:22 PM) fuc...   Oct 7 2012, 10:50 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Oct 7 2012, 10:22 PM) Als...   Oct 8 2012, 08:11 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Oct 8 2012, 04:11 PM)...   Oct 8 2012, 08:26 PM
- - bannockburn   I'll need to check my pre-SR4a book later, if ...   Oct 3 2012, 01:41 PM
- - Draco18s   Negating a glitch isn't useless in the face of...   Oct 3 2012, 04:06 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 3 2012, 06:06 PM) N...   Oct 3 2012, 04:50 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Oct 3 2012, 12:5...   Oct 3 2012, 05:00 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Oct 3 2012, 01:00 P...   Oct 3 2012, 05:03 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 3 2012, 01:03 PM) ....   Oct 3 2012, 05:09 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 3 2012, 07:14 PM) E...   Oct 3 2012, 08:49 PM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Oct 3 2012, 10:4...   Oct 3 2012, 10:01 PM
- - Garvel   Option 1QUOTE You may re-roll all of the dice on a...   Oct 4 2012, 04:17 AM
- - Garvel   p. 62 contains: QUOTE Characters may spend Edge to...   Oct 4 2012, 05:55 AM
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|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Garvel @ Oct 7 2012, 03:08 PM) yes...   Oct 7 2012, 07:51 PM
- - Halinn   That's on the same level as D&D not actual...   Oct 7 2012, 08:17 PM
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- - pbangarth   Well, actually this is just a possibility for the ...   Oct 8 2012, 01:58 AM
- - Udoshi   Very true! Even if you take taking out that ...   Oct 8 2012, 04:28 AM
- - Thanee   It all really boils down to just one truly viable ...   Oct 8 2012, 08:16 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Thanee @ Oct 8 2012, 02:16 AM) It ...   Oct 8 2012, 02:10 PM
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||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sengir @ Oct 8 2012, 03:47 PM) Com...   Oct 8 2012, 11:35 PM
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|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Garvel @ Oct 8 2012, 10:35 AM) IMH...   Oct 8 2012, 02:36 PM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Garvel @ Oct 8 2012, 04:35 PM) Tha...   Oct 9 2012, 06:50 AM
|- - Garvel   QUOTE (Thanee @ Oct 9 2012, 07:50 AM) It...   Oct 9 2012, 10:30 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Thanee @ Oct 9 2012, 12:50 AM) Wel...   Oct 9 2012, 10:50 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Oct 9 2012, 11:50 PM) Rer...   Oct 10 2012, 11:49 AM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Oct 10 2012, 01:49 PM...   Oct 11 2012, 05:29 AM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Thanee @ Oct 11 2012, 06:29 AM) Yo...   Oct 11 2012, 08:41 AM
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|- - Midas   QUOTE (Garvel @ Oct 9 2012, 04:33 AM) Mis...   Oct 9 2012, 06:42 AM
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- - pbangarth   RE: Edge and Glitches   Oct 9 2012, 03:49 AM
- - Cain   First of all, I refuse to use the term "glitc...   Oct 9 2012, 11:14 AM
- - FriendoftheDork   Well in some cases rolling badly will kill you. In...   Oct 9 2012, 11:30 AM
|- - bannockburn   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Oct 9 2012, 01:3...   Oct 9 2012, 11:33 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Oct 9 2012, 01:33 PM...   Oct 9 2012, 01:08 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Oct 9 2012, 02:0...   Oct 9 2012, 02:44 PM
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