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The Overlord
post Oct 26 2014, 09:54 PM
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So one of my players has been proposing various things to add to the game, coming up with their own rules. As i have access to older books than my players do, i often look back at older editions to see if they were in the game before. This gives me a idea of how to reimplement them....sometimes. While some things are left behind in older editions due to changes of in game technology, others don't, which makes me wonder why they are in the books any more.

Are there any things that disappeared and you don't know why? List em, and how do you think they could be reintroduced into the newer editions.
To start this off i have one that is bugging me,

Incendiary ammo: It was last sighted in 3e. Why was it left out of 4 and 5e? How can i bring them back?
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Umidori
post Oct 27 2014, 07:04 AM
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"Program carriers"?

*googles*

Okay, so apparently this was some kind of cyberware? You used it for hacking without a deck for some reason, and you essentially were restricted to your personal skill and any storage you had implanted in your head?

I'm a little stumped why one would use this over a deck, but I suppose the idea is that a deck is big and bulky, and therefor not suited for slipping through security? Kind of a bare-bones mini-deck for covert purposes? It's understandable why they wouldn't show up later on, once decks became replaced by commlinks and you could just get one of those implanted.

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post Oct 27 2014, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE (Umidori @ Oct 27 2014, 12:04 AM) *
"Program carriers"?

*googles*

Okay, so apparently this was some kind of cyberware? You used it for hacking without a deck for some reason, and you essentially were restricted to your personal skill and any storage you had implanted in your head?

I'm a little stumped why one would use this over a deck, but I suppose the idea is that a deck is big and bulky, and therefor not suited for slipping through security? Kind of a bare-bones mini-deck for covert purposes? It's understandable why they wouldn't show up later on, once decks became replaced by commlinks and you could just get one of those implanted.

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Decks were bulky and obvious, yes, and cranial cyberdecks weren't a thing. This enabled you to run the matrix without any obvious signs that you were a decker.

Comminliks didn't appear until SR4, and program carriers disappeared around SR2. Cranial decks started to show up then, but they were extremely expensive, and not really a good replacement for a carried cyberdeck. "Program carriers cause cancer" was a later retcon, to explain why they were removed, and it didn't happen until sometime around SR3, IIRC.
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post Oct 27 2014, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 27 2014, 04:52 PM) *
"Program carriers cause cancer" was a later retcon, to explain why they were removed, and it didn't happen until sometime around SR3, IIRC.

didn't cigarettes reappear in common usage in SR because cancer had been figure out, and cures developed? So, wouldn't this retcon be contradictory to the backround of the SR world?
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