 Taking another look at LoneStar, So, you think you got away... |
 Jun 22 2005, 07:48 AM
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Dumpshock Widow aka Mrs Fisty  Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next to Him Member No.: 6,929  |
I was reading about this on CNN and it got me thinking. According to the article the raid was planned as a message to other gang members about what happens when police officers get killed. (I could be wrong but that's the gist of the article that I got). My question is this: would this ever happen in your campaign setting? How retaliatory is Lonestar (or whatever security firm/actual police force you use) in your game? What other forces do you bring to bear on players who get a little too forgetful of those on the other side of the law? Any examples would be greatly appreciated as I'm looking for something to subtly (or not so subtly) nudge a few characters back into watching their backs a little bit more.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, ya'll. |
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Jun 22 2005, 05:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 908 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Georgia Member No.: 7,270 |
QUOTE]Except that today - in the US at least - there are no places like the Barrens that have no governmental control whatsoever, and that the cops aren't even required to police, because it's not worth the trouble.[/QUOTE]
True. But even with the popular Mogadishu reference, the attack/ambush was staged by A warlord and his followers, not ALL warlords in the city, and their followers, although there were other fighting elements, supposedly. (Bowden's book on BlackHawk Down, and several other texts suggest the presence of Al-Qaeda, Iranian Intelligence, and other substantially more dangerous elements than the common khat-chewing clansmen. ) There were also warlords supporting the arrests the Rangers were making, by either remaining neutral or intelligence. (enemy of my enemy...etc). So I still don't think a single, or even a series of puntative raids into a Z zone would result in an all out street war (meaning ALL gangs and no-good-doers in the zone engaging the LS), although, as I said earlier, an effort to actually RETAKE the zone, may very well require a Fallujah type effort. |
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Plan B Taking another look at LoneStar Jun 22 2005, 07:48 AM
Kagetenshi The thing to do here is to show them that if they ... Jun 22 2005, 07:58 AM toturi That raid is really stupid if it was meant to be r... Jun 22 2005, 08:13 AM FrostyNSO Hehe, in one of my games, Lonestar was getting hur... Jun 22 2005, 08:23 AM Kagetenshi I doubt they'll even enter the Barrens. They m... Jun 22 2005, 08:24 AM FrostyNSO New Seattle says they'll go in if you really p... Jun 22 2005, 08:26 AM fistandantilus3.0 I would love t osee my players face when they see ... Jun 22 2005, 08:32 AM FrostyNSO QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) I would love t osee my p... Jun 22 2005, 08:37 AM Kagetenshi But they're in the neighborhood. That makes th... Jun 22 2005, 08:39 AM FrostyNSO Good point. Jun 22 2005, 08:40 AM ShadowDragon8685 I guess it depends on the Corp to Cop ratio of Lon... Jun 22 2005, 10:46 AM Grinder Some LS officers would likely start their own litt... Jun 22 2005, 10:54 AM Critias I'd amend that with "it's not normall... Jun 22 2005, 11:11 AM lollerskates QUOTE (Kagetenshi)The thing to do here is to show ... Jun 22 2005, 02:12 PM Edward The difficulty with a strike of that type is that ... Jun 22 2005, 03:00 PM ShadowDragon8685 So noted. This is a Mogadishu scenario waiting to ... Jun 22 2005, 03:01 PM Jrayjoker Both scenarios (all out strike, and just get the o... Jun 22 2005, 03:27 PM Kagetenshi QUOTE (lollerskates @ Jun 22 2005, 09:12 AM) ... Jun 22 2005, 03:28 PM Sicarius Even if it is a corps, its a para-military organiz... Jun 22 2005, 03:52 PM Kagetenshi Any case of a cop going into a Z-zone is a threat ... Jun 22 2005, 03:54 PM Cynic project The way i see lonestart is this, the enforce teh l... Jun 22 2005, 03:57 PM Qillin yeah Frosty really stunned us good the gang war. w... Jun 22 2005, 03:59 PM mmu1 QUOTE (Sicarius @ Jun 22 2005, 10:52 AM) Whil... Jun 22 2005, 04:02 PM ShadowDragon8685 The way I see it, the Barrens are like Mogadishu a... Jun 22 2005, 04:09 PM Jrayjoker Nah, you'd be in for a long term infestation/i... Jun 22 2005, 04:14 PM Austere Emancipator And if gangs "rise up" against a Lone St... Jun 22 2005, 04:21 PM BitBasher QUOTE Cops have to be visible (I know there is und... Jun 22 2005, 04:27 PM Jrayjoker Pure, unadulterated evidence that people are stupi... Jun 22 2005, 04:26 PM ShadowDragon8685 Austere, I think you severely underestimate the qu... Jun 22 2005, 04:36 PM Kagetenshi More to the point, the idiot criminals are the one... Jun 22 2005, 04:48 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)But some of those hooders ... Jun 22 2005, 04:48 PM ShadowDragon8685 If it's a toss-up between being rousted by the... Jun 22 2005, 05:00 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)If it's coming down to... Jun 22 2005, 05:01 PM Kagetenshi QUOTE (Austere Emancipator @ Jun 22 2005, 11:... Jun 22 2005, 05:03 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Kagetenshi)There's also the fact that p... Jun 22 2005, 05:07 PM weblife The Barrens are full of people. Normal, civilian, ... Jun 22 2005, 05:32 PM Kagetenshi QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) So if your team had so... Jun 22 2005, 05:32 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Sicarius)But even with the popular Mogadish... Jun 22 2005, 05:46 PM nezumi Odd. I'd say no. After all, your neighbors w... Jun 22 2005, 05:46 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Kagetenshi)Yes. Anything else encourages si... Jun 22 2005, 05:51 PM ShadowDragon8685 Runners have turf, too.
And like the gangs, they... Jun 22 2005, 06:02 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)So yes, if I had advanced ... Jun 22 2005, 06:04 PM Kagetenshi QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) I still have to wonder... Jun 22 2005, 06:09 PM shadow_scholar holy crap, how often do you GMs let runners kill c... Jun 22 2005, 06:30 PM Kagetenshi Do you make cops get paid meaningfully more than j... Jun 22 2005, 06:39 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Kagetenshi)It's not about protecting th... Jun 22 2005, 06:39 PM Kagetenshi That means not being a Shadowrunner. We can start ... Jun 22 2005, 06:40 PM Austere Emancipator Oh, right, and I remember one of your threads abou... Jun 22 2005, 06:54 PM ShadowDragon8685 Kagentoshi, you forgot about Bob's Discount Gu... Jun 22 2005, 06:57 PM Kagetenshi Even if you aren't touching a single LS employ... Jun 22 2005, 06:57 PM shadow_scholar QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Jun 22 2005, 01:39 PM) Do... Jun 22 2005, 07:08 PM Austere Emancipator There's a world of difference between killing ... Jun 22 2005, 07:11 PM Critias All I can say is it looks like about five differen... Jun 22 2005, 07:13 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Critias)another about precise overwhelming ... Jun 22 2005, 07:13 PM Cynic project One thing I am noticing about this thread is how m... Jun 22 2005, 07:14 PM nezumi The thing that surprises me is anyone assumes the ... Jun 22 2005, 07:25 PM shadow_scholar QUOTE (Cynic project) One thing I am noticing abou... Jun 22 2005, 07:31 PM Req QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) shadow_scholar: Beslan... Jun 22 2005, 07:33 PM Cynic project QUOTE (shadow_scholar) QUOTE (Cynic project ... Jun 22 2005, 08:42 PM nezumi QUOTE (Cynic project) we can and litarily piss mon... Jun 22 2005, 08:55 PM Kagetenshi QUOTE (nezumi) If they are going to make a raid in... Jun 22 2005, 09:40 PM shadow_scholar QUOTE (Cynic project) Maybe you don't get it, ... Jun 22 2005, 09:43 PM Kagetenshi QUOTE (shadow_scholar) I'm not sure where you... Jun 22 2005, 10:05 PM lollerskates QUOTE (Kagetenshi)The majority of Lone Star consis... Jun 22 2005, 10:26 PM BitBasher QUOTE And BitBasher, please remember that we'r... Jun 22 2005, 10:31 PM lollerskates collateral isn't hollywood? collateral? Jun 22 2005, 10:53 PM BitBasher QUOTE (lollerskates) collateral isn't hollywoo... Jun 22 2005, 11:43 PM Cynic project QUOTE (shadow_scholar) QUOTE (Cynic project ... Jun 23 2005, 12:19 AM ShadowDragon8685 Well of course the whole world is fucked up. That... Jun 23 2005, 12:25 AM toturi QUOTE (lollerskates) then cut a deal with those ho... Jun 23 2005, 12:53 AM lollerskates QUOTE (toturi)How much do you think you'd bet ... Jun 23 2005, 01:15 AM toturi QUOTE (lollerskates) that really depends on whom y... Jun 23 2005, 01:44 AM lollerskates QUOTE (toturi)Yeah, but what about the 10 other ga... Jun 23 2005, 01:58 AM hyzmarca QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (nezumi @ Jun 22 200... Jun 23 2005, 05:31 AM lollerskates QUOTE (hyzmarca)Why haven't they done it alrea... Jun 23 2005, 05:37 AM Supercilious The Barrens would chew the 'Star up and spit t... Jun 23 2005, 06:12 AM hyzmarca QUOTE (Supercilious) The Barrens would chew the ... Jun 23 2005, 06:39 AM fistandantilus3.0 Just a couple of thoughts to throw out real quick:... Jun 23 2005, 06:40 AM ShadowDragon8685 I don't think it would happen.
After all, th... Jun 23 2005, 09:30 AM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)So yeah. Lone Star going i... Jun 23 2005, 02:06 PM toturi If you see gangs as mere street gangs, maybe they ... Jun 23 2005, 03:11 PM nezumi QUOTE (Kagetenshi) It's not something they can... Jun 23 2005, 03:53 PM mfb you guys are talking about two completely differen... Jun 23 2005, 04:07 PM Kagetenshi Even a quick raid with overwhelming force seems im... Jun 23 2005, 04:15 PM shadow_scholar QUOTE (Kagetenshi)Probably NAGNA.
I checked my NA... Jun 23 2005, 04:52 PM BitBasher I think most folks here are giving gangers way too... Jun 23 2005, 04:51 PM mfb QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Even a quick raid with overwhel... Jun 23 2005, 05:10 PM FrostyNSO Just look at the weaponry included with the Troll ... Jun 23 2005, 05:22 PM The Archimage Trying to coordinate all the gangs to work togethe... Jun 23 2005, 05:55 PM Nikoli Simple then, once the coalition is formed of the v... Jun 23 2005, 06:14 PM mmu1 QUOTE (mfb) QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Even a quick raid w... Jun 23 2005, 06:14 PM nezumi Or that really no one needs those particular highw... Jun 23 2005, 07:19 PM PBTHHHHT Argh, listening to all these arguments back and fo... Jun 23 2005, 09:11 PM Supercilious A raid will work, I think we all agree on that. It... Jun 26 2005, 12:16 AM BitBasher QUOTE (Supercilious) A lone sniper can hold back a... Jun 26 2005, 01:03 AM FrostyNSO And if the mage isn't available, I'm sure ... Jun 26 2005, 01:12 AM ShadowDragon8685 Until your elementals and precious mages get their... Jun 26 2005, 01:13 AM ShadowDragon8685 Frosty: They've tried that before. Not only is... Jun 26 2005, 01:15 AM
FrostyNSO It's alot easier to lure the ones that do end ... Jun 26 2005, 01:16 AM |
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