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Andinel
post Mar 15 2009, 07:14 AM
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I was looking over making a character earlier today, and with the new updated rules for improving devices, since the highest base Firewall is 3, is it now impossible to get a Firewall of 6 on any character's commlink? Or is this an unintended change?
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JoelHalpern
post Mar 15 2009, 07:11 PM
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The thing that strikes me in this debate is that it depends very heavily on what is being upgraded, and what part of the device is not upgradeable.
In some regards, the limits make sense, in others they don't.
But some of this is inevitable in abstraction. We are not dealing separately with device power supplies, busses, and all the other intricacies. Signal upgrading is presumably alrgely a matter of power. But replacing the power supply is a lot more than replacing the wifi chip. So which does "upgrading signal" correspond to?
Similarly, while we can (and many people do) replace the CPU on a board, there are bus and power limits that affect what you can do. (Among current machines, cheaper machines come with slower busses and bus controller chips.) So is a response upgrade just a CPU upgrade or a CPU, buss, etc?
While I do not like the cap they are proposing, I can understand that with the simplifications it makes internal sense.

I just wish that they had made it an optional rule. Because it changes many of the choices, and makes many things mroe complicated in unfortunate ways, even if it makes sense.

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Joel
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- Andinel   SR4A: Is Firewall 6 impossible?   Mar 15 2009, 07:14 AM
- - Zurai   You have to build it from scratch, but it is possi...   Mar 15 2009, 07:41 AM
- - Ayeohx   Good question. Is the "A device's rating...   Mar 15 2009, 07:43 AM
|- - Degausser   QUOTE (Ayeohx @ Mar 15 2009, 02:43 AM) (S...   Mar 15 2009, 08:39 AM
|- - Beetle   QUOTE (Degausser @ Mar 15 2009, 04:39 AM)...   Mar 15 2009, 12:37 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Beetle @ Mar 15 2009, 07:37 AM) Yo...   Mar 15 2009, 12:42 PM
||- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 15 2009, 01:42 PM) ...   Mar 15 2009, 01:27 PM
||- - Uthred   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 15 2009, 12:42 PM) ...   Mar 15 2009, 02:06 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Uthred @ Mar 15 2009, 09:06 AM) Bu...   Mar 15 2009, 06:05 PM
||- - Matsci   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 15 2009, 10:05 AM) ...   Mar 15 2009, 10:02 PM
|- - Degausser   QUOTE (Beetle @ Mar 15 2009, 07:37 AM) Yo...   Mar 15 2009, 05:01 PM
|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Degausser @ Mar 15 2009, 11:01 AM)...   Mar 16 2009, 12:06 AM
- - Andinel   QUOTE (Zurai @ Mar 14 2009, 11:41 PM) You...   Mar 15 2009, 07:56 AM
|- - Zurai   QUOTE (Andinel @ Mar 15 2009, 02:56 AM) W...   Mar 15 2009, 07:59 AM
|- - Andinel   QUOTE (Zurai @ Mar 14 2009, 11:59 PM) Uh,...   Mar 15 2009, 08:24 AM
|- - Malicant   QUOTE (Zurai @ Mar 15 2009, 08:59 AM) Uh,...   Mar 15 2009, 12:43 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Andinel @ Mar 15 2009, 08:14 AM) I...   Mar 15 2009, 02:05 PM
- - Ayeohx   So let me see if I got this right... Commlink Com...   Mar 15 2009, 04:37 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Ayeohx @ Mar 15 2009, 05:37 PM) He...   Mar 15 2009, 09:32 PM
- - Wasabi   Its now half cost to upgrade equipment yourself. [...   Mar 15 2009, 05:34 PM
- - hobgoblin   most new computers use pci-e for graphics cards...   Mar 15 2009, 06:33 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 15 2009, 01:33 PM)...   Mar 15 2009, 06:42 PM
|- - Zurai   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 15 2009, 01:42 PM) ...   Mar 15 2009, 06:47 PM
- - Andinel   So if the software that you install in your commli...   Mar 15 2009, 06:37 PM
|- - Wasabi   QUOTE (Andinel @ Mar 15 2009, 01:37 PM) S...   Mar 15 2009, 07:13 PM
|- - Zurai   QUOTE (Wasabi @ Mar 15 2009, 02:13 PM) Ha...   Mar 15 2009, 07:18 PM
- - JoelHalpern   The thing that strikes me in this debate is that i...   Mar 15 2009, 07:11 PM
- - Draco18s   Oh, I agree that there needs to be a limit, but +2...   Mar 15 2009, 07:13 PM
- - Wasabi   Programs have their own rules separate from hardwa...   Mar 15 2009, 07:25 PM
- - Draco18s   Yes, but they ARE limited by Response, which is ha...   Mar 15 2009, 08:01 PM
- - Casazil   Ok so question in order to have a commlink in the ...   Mar 15 2009, 08:31 PM
- - Ayeohx   I'm still having an issue with this. Can I ju...   Mar 15 2009, 11:21 PM
|- - Andinel   QUOTE (Ayeohx @ Mar 15 2009, 04:21 PM) I...   Mar 15 2009, 11:38 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Andinel @ Mar 16 2009, 12:38 AM) I...   Mar 15 2009, 11:49 PM
- - KCKitsune   The whole "only a +2 upgrade to hardware...   Mar 15 2009, 11:33 PM
|- - Malachi   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 15 2009, 07:33 PM)...   Mar 16 2009, 04:50 AM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Malachi @ Mar 16 2009, 12:50 AM) B...   Mar 16 2009, 05:51 AM
|- - Zurai   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 16 2009, 01:51 AM)...   Mar 16 2009, 05:57 AM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Zurai @ Mar 16 2009, 12:57 AM) Not...   Mar 16 2009, 06:18 AM
- - Dumori   Or maybe this rule should just be ignored. It brak...   Mar 16 2009, 12:03 AM
- - Cain   A laptop isn't meant to be seriously upgraded....   Mar 16 2009, 06:14 AM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 16 2009, 07:14 AM) A la...   Mar 16 2009, 09:26 AM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Mar 16 2009, 05...   Mar 16 2009, 10:43 AM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 16 2009, 11:43 AM)...   Mar 16 2009, 10:54 AM
- - Zurai   Laptops can be upgraded piecemeal. I have a friend...   Mar 16 2009, 06:24 AM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Zurai @ Mar 16 2009, 01:24 AM) Lap...   Mar 16 2009, 06:35 AM
||- - Zurai   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 16 2009, 01:35 AM)...   Mar 16 2009, 02:53 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 16 2009, 01:35 AM)...   Mar 16 2009, 05:18 PM
||- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 16 2009, 06:18 PM) ...   Mar 16 2009, 06:06 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 16 2009, 01:06 PM)...   Mar 16 2009, 07:02 PM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Zurai @ Mar 16 2009, 07:24 AM) Lap...   Mar 16 2009, 04:53 PM
- - Blade   We have no idea of how electronics and computer ha...   Mar 16 2009, 03:23 PM
- - Zurai   Yeah, most laptops these days have integrated soun...   Mar 16 2009, 05:03 PM
- - Malachi   Agreed. The design of inexpensive, low-end electr...   Mar 16 2009, 05:19 PM
- - crizh   Is there any possibility of an official answer to ...   Mar 17 2009, 02:10 AM
- - MJBurrage   You can just buy System 6 & Firewall 6 from th...   Mar 17 2009, 04:14 AM
- - crizh   Thanks for the reply but I could really use an off...   Mar 17 2009, 06:10 PM
- - Casazil   Ok I see nada in the material that says during cha...   Mar 18 2009, 03:52 AM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Casazil @ Mar 18 2009, 04:52 AM) O...   Mar 18 2009, 11:39 AM
||- - Casazil   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Mar 18 2009, 07...   Mar 18 2009, 09:14 PM
||- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Casazil @ Mar 18 2009, 10:14 PM) U...   Mar 18 2009, 09:45 PM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Casazil @ Mar 18 2009, 03:52 AM) O...   Mar 18 2009, 12:24 PM
- - crizh   OK, I think I'm good to say that, I've ask...   Mar 18 2009, 06:10 PM
|- - Andinel   QUOTE (crizh @ Mar 18 2009, 11:10 AM) OK,...   Mar 18 2009, 11:56 PM
- - Draco18s   But isn't software limited by response, which ...   Mar 18 2009, 06:34 PM
|- - Andinel   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 18 2009, 11:34 AM) ...   Mar 18 2009, 06:41 PM
- - crizh   Firewall has always been independent of System.   Mar 18 2009, 06:55 PM
- - Draco18s   Ah. I'd never seen it explicitly stated, and ...   Mar 18 2009, 06:59 PM
- - Kingboy   Or, my personal choice, the Hermes Ikon (which is ...   Mar 18 2009, 11:39 PM
- - hobgoblin   only that pilot, by being a special kind of system...   Mar 18 2009, 11:59 PM
- - Warlordtheft   For commlinks, there is no limmitation, as they do...   Mar 19 2009, 12:59 AM
|- - Andinel   QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Mar 18 2009, 04:59 ...   Mar 19 2009, 02:01 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Andinel @ Mar 18 2009, 06:01 PM) I...   Mar 19 2009, 02:08 AM
|- - Kingboy   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 18 2009, 09:08 PM) Not ...   Mar 19 2009, 05:33 AM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (crizh @ Mar 18 2009, 07:10 PM) OK,...   Mar 19 2009, 11:20 AM
- - hobgoblin   RE: SR4A: Is Firewall 6 impossible?   Mar 19 2009, 01:08 AM
- - Wasabi   Seriously folks, you're reading too much into ...   Mar 19 2009, 11:40 AM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Wasabi @ Mar 19 2009, 12:40 PM) Th...   Mar 19 2009, 11:56 AM
- - hermit   QUOTE SR4.5 still effectively limits software, tho...   Mar 19 2009, 12:29 PM
|- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 19 2009, 01:29 PM) Th...   Mar 19 2009, 12:42 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Optimization is only available to Common, Ha...   Mar 19 2009, 12:55 PM
- - knasser   Am I the only one in this thread that wants the up...   Mar 19 2009, 01:06 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   No, certainly not. I like it mostly for the fact ...   Mar 19 2009, 01:23 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Am I the only one in this thread that wants ...   Mar 19 2009, 01:24 PM
- - crizh   Except in Nexuses which are still canon. The Nexu...   Mar 19 2009, 02:57 PM
- - Malachi   I will be allowing my players to buy Response 4 Co...   Mar 19 2009, 04:48 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Device Rating comes first, then is modified by giv...   Mar 20 2009, 05:57 AM


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