 Astral Hazing for a Magician, Seems like a bad idea, right? |
 Jul 15 2009, 05:44 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 509 Joined: 16-June 09 Member No.: 17,282  |
Two questions about Astral Hazing.
First; it says that it's a rating 4 background count (no mention of mana ebbs or negative counts, so I'm going to assume positive) that's tainted by darker emotions. Is there any way to use this to my advantage? I'm sure "darker emotions" describes most blood magicians' practices. Could I take up blood magic, use it for really twisted stuff, and get 4 added to my magic instead of subtracted? Or maybe just get the bonus if I'm using magic while feeling particularly emotionally tormented? If that were so, I'd be more than willing to pay for it as if it were a positive quality. Also, how does it interact with metamagics? Can I Cleanse it, or aspect it towards my own tradition with Geomancy? |
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Jul 18 2009, 06:35 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
I must be missing something here... Negative Qualities are just that... NEGATIVE... You should not ever be able to turn the negative to a positive... if you want to go that route... buy off the negative quality, initiate a few times and get Geomancy, and then aspect yourself a positive BC aftarwards... you should not EVER be able to do so while the negative quality is in place...
Want to have a positive benefit from BC, craft it yourself with Geomancy, but don't buy the negative quality and then "aspect" it to a positivbe bonus... To this, I call foul... Of Course... that is my 2 nuyen, but really, does this not smack anyone else as powergaming at its finest? |
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Jul 18 2009, 06:37 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 18 2009, 02:35 PM)  I must be missing something here... Negative Qualities are just that... NEGATIVE... You should not ever be able to turn the negative to a positive... That's my feeling as well. The only true positive nature of astral hazing is that magic doesn't work on you, at all. This does keep you alive when mages start tossing fireballs (and my group did make heavy use of the one character's immunity on at least one occasion) but you also can't be buffed or healed by magic either. He was a non-mage, so it wasn't as twinkish. |
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Jul 18 2009, 06:39 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 12:37 PM) That's my feeling as well. The only true positive nature of astral hazing is that magic doesn't work on you, at all. This does keep you alive when mages start tossing fireballs (and my group did make heavy use of the one character's immunity on at least one occasion) but you also can't be buffed or healed by magic either. He was a non-mage, so it wasn't as twinkish. I never read it a never affecting you at all, but you do get the benefits of that magic being reduced by the Hazing... it is heavily balanced out by not being able to truly benefit from the positive applications of magic though, yeah... |
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Jul 18 2009, 07:07 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 18 2009, 02:39 PM) you do get the benefits of that magic being reduced by the Hazing... That's what I meant, really. -4 force is nasty. God forbid the caster is inside your emenation area too. |
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Jul 18 2009, 07:15 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 10:07 PM) That's what I meant, really. -4 force is nasty. God forbid the caster is inside your emenation area too. Thats why the saying goes "Good combat mage can kill you with a mere thought, great one knows when to use his trusty predator instead" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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McAllister Astral Hazing for a Magician Jul 15 2009, 05:44 AM
Machiavelli First: you can´t play twisted mages
Second: acc. ... Jul 15 2009, 05:53 AM Ravor Actually, the rules for Blood Mages aren't rea... Jul 15 2009, 06:39 AM
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The "c... Jul 15 2009, 02:00 PM Draco18s QUOTE (McAllister @ Jul 15 2009, 10:00 AM... Jul 15 2009, 04:31 PM Stahlseele QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 15 2009, 06:31 PM) ... Jul 15 2009, 05:09 PM DireRadiant If it doesn't hamper you, it is not a Negative... Jul 15 2009, 04:03 PM Rotbart van Dainig Have you seen some of the "positive" Qua... Jul 15 2009, 04:30 PM Adarael I would welcome any PC blood mage into my party. A... Jul 15 2009, 07:36 PM thearistocrat QUOTE (Adarael @ Jul 15 2009, 07:36 PM) I... Jul 15 2009, 07:50 PM Adarael Man, what? My .3 essence Samurai could sucker-punc... Jul 15 2009, 07:54 PM Stahlseele OK, that would be one way of looking at it . . the... Jul 15 2009, 09:08 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jul 15 2009, 05:08 PM... Jul 16 2009, 04:09 PM Neraph QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 16 2009, 11:09 AM) ... Jul 16 2009, 05:23 PM Meatbag QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 16 2009, 05:23 PM) Th... Jul 16 2009, 11:47 PM Stahlseele I think the Psionics can only do some limited conj... Jul 16 2009, 04:46 PM Draco18s Street Magic:
QUOTE These days, psionics is consid... Jul 16 2009, 05:08 PM phantom psionics is covered more in digital grimoire. Basi... Jul 16 2009, 05:17 PM Machiavelli Yeah, "Jessy´s Magic"....good point. Ne... Jul 17 2009, 05:50 AM Stahlseele They are?
Where? Jul 17 2009, 07:15 AM KCKitsune I think that they should have left out the whole P... Jul 17 2009, 07:25 AM AngelisStorm QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Jul 17 2009, 12:50 A... Jul 17 2009, 01:36 PM KCKitsune QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Jul 17 2009, 09:36 ... Jul 17 2009, 02:50 PM Machiavelli QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Jul 17 2009, 02:36 ... Jul 17 2009, 03:01 PM Draco18s It'd be kinda cheesy. Looking to take on X Co... Jul 17 2009, 04:40 PM Neraph QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 17 2009, 11:40 AM) ... Jul 17 2009, 04:49 PM Draco18s After poking my GM he says that you could aspect a... Jul 17 2009, 04:54 PM Neraph QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 17 2009, 11:54 AM) ... Jul 17 2009, 05:10 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 17 2009, 01:10 PM) Yo... Jul 17 2009, 07:30 PM Neraph QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 17 2009, 01:30 PM) ... Jul 18 2009, 06:01 AM Stahlseele Hmm . . Astral Hazing is a flaw yes?
And Fomori ge... Jul 17 2009, 05:25 PM Neraph QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jul 17 2009, 12:25 PM... Jul 17 2009, 06:07 PM Mäx QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 17 2009, 09:07 PM) I ... Jul 17 2009, 06:10 PM Rotbart van Dainig In fact, Astral Hazing makes the character a domai... Jul 18 2009, 08:44 AM Umbra Looking again at the description of Astral Hazing ... Jul 18 2009, 10:55 AM Neraph QUOTE (Umbra @ Jul 18 2009, 05:55 AM) Loo... Jul 18 2009, 02:32 PM Neraph QUOTE (Umbra @ Jul 18 2009, 05:55 AM) Aug... Jul 18 2009, 03:00 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 18 2009, 11:00 AM) So... Jul 18 2009, 03:01 PM Neraph QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 10:01 AM) ... Jul 18 2009, 03:05 PM Umbra QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 18 2009, 09:00 AM) Ac... Jul 18 2009, 07:31 PM Draco18s ...wasn't that my original point? Jul 18 2009, 02:43 PM Neraph QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 09:43 AM) ... Jul 18 2009, 02:54 PM Falconer Quite frankly that whole section is an utter mess.... Jul 18 2009, 03:34 PM Neraph QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 18 2009, 10:34 AM) ... Jul 18 2009, 03:40 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 18 2009, 09:40 AM) Th... Jul 18 2009, 04:12 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Falconer @ Jul 18 2009, 11:34 AM) ... Jul 18 2009, 04:20 PM Falconer Hence why I said it'd require some serious fen... Jul 18 2009, 04:21 PM Neraph Ok, so we have 2 cases of people saying "no b... Jul 18 2009, 04:26 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 18 2009, 12:26 PM) Ok... Jul 18 2009, 04:49 PM Neraph QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 11:49 AM) ... Jul 18 2009, 04:58 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 18 2009, 12:58 PM) Be... Jul 18 2009, 05:32 PM Neraph QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 11:32 AM) ... Jul 18 2009, 05:40 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 18 2009, 01:40 PM) If... Jul 18 2009, 06:02 PM Neraph QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 01:02 PM) ... Jul 18 2009, 06:15 PM thearistocrat QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 06:02 PM) ... Jul 18 2009, 06:15 PM Draco18s QUOTE (thearistocrat @ Jul 18 2009, 02:15... Jul 18 2009, 06:25 PM Mäx QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 09:25 PM) ... Jul 18 2009, 07:07 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 01:07 PM) ... Jul 18 2009, 07:14 PM Draco18s QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 18 2009, 03... Jul 18 2009, 08:47 PM toturi QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 19 2009, 02... Jul 19 2009, 12:59 AM Neraph QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 18 2009, 12... Jul 19 2009, 04:29 AM Draco18s QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 19 2009, 12:29 AM) No... Jul 19 2009, 04:46 AM Neraph QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 18 2009, 10:46 PM) ... Jul 19 2009, 04:51 AM Neraph QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 18 2009, 10:29 PM) Se... Jul 23 2009, 04:29 AM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 22 2009, 10:29 PM) My... Jul 23 2009, 01:49 PM Neraph Yeah, I remembered the 5 karma from joining the gr... Jul 23 2009, 03:29 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Neraph @ Jul 23 2009, 08:29 AM) Ye... Jul 23 2009, 08:43 PM McAllister I'm not sure what to think. The negative qual... Jul 19 2009, 01:30 AM toturi QUOTE (McAllister @ Jul 19 2009, 09:30 AM... Jul 19 2009, 01:44 AM Draco18s QUOTE (toturi @ Jul 18 2009, 09:44 PM) Pe... Jul 19 2009, 03:22 AM toturi QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 19 2009, 11:22 AM) ... Jul 19 2009, 03:52 AM dirkformica /Hijack
What happens when a Magician with Astral H... Jul 19 2009, 03:31 AM Draco18s QUOTE (dirkformica @ Jul 18 2009, 11:31 P... Jul 19 2009, 03:33 AM Stahlseele You need to factor in the Karma to join a Group fi... Jul 23 2009, 02:01 PM Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jul 23 2009, 08:01 AM... Jul 23 2009, 02:09 PM Stahlseele 's okay, most people do. Jul 23 2009, 02:10 PM |
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