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The Jopp
post Jan 25 2010, 09:19 AM
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Ok, apparently I've missed the little detail that tells you that AI's can only run the following programs...

Common
Hacking
Knowsoft
Agent Autosoft Programs

Ok, so what does this mean? For a being who IS essentially software and can code it's own?

With the above ruling it cannot use:
Drone Autosofts [Can be used with Piloting Origin]
Sensor Software
Simsense Software
Skillsofts

But it can use:
Common
Hacking
Knowsoft
Agent Autosoft

What does this mean:
Since sensor software is not allowed you cannot make a pure Software based AI since it would lack basic Etiquette skill and cannot use Empathy software.

Personally I would allow it IF you have the following (both):
A: Sensors
B: Quality: Piloting Origin

The latter allows you to be in a drone and the previous is usually installed in a drone so that you CAN perceive the world and know how learn and interpret bodylanguage (lets just call it Emoticon Knowledge for the AI).

What more:
Agent Autosofts...

So, we can actually use Homeground Autosoft...+3 Matrix Perception to the node we are/live in...the DRONE we live in...

Replicate...Want to spread the love? Make a copy of yourself in EVERY drone you own

Expert Offense: +3 matrix combat
Expert Defense: +3 matrix defense

Adaptability..well, kinda redundant

Cascading ...kinda useful

Unanswered Questions
Something that has come up but I have never found a real answer on...

Do AI's and Agents gain a +2 Matrix Dice for the equivalent of Hotsim - they ARE after all data and should already be faster than cold-sim humans.
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post Jan 25 2010, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jan 25 2010, 04:19 AM) *
Replicate...Want to spread the love? Make a copy of yourself in EVERY drone you own


Uh. You can't duplicate AIs.
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post Jan 25 2010, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 25 2010, 07:51 PM) *
Uh. You can't duplicate AIs.


As I wrote above - according to RAW an AI can use REPLICATE Agent Autosoft to replicate itself to another node. The contradiction is that you cannot copy an AI program - but they say nothing about the AI copying itself.

Since an Agent can replicate itself and the AI can use the agent autosoft replicate to replicate itself into another node it seems that way.

There is a contradiction in the rules - that's all I'm saying.

The main point is that REPLICATE is not COPYING the AI. Still, a clarification is needed.
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post Jan 26 2010, 07:20 AM
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QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jan 25 2010, 01:18 PM) *
As I wrote above - according to RAW an AI can use REPLICATE Agent Autosoft to replicate itself to another node. The contradiction is that you cannot copy an AI program - but they say nothing about the AI copying itself.

Since an Agent can replicate itself and the AI can use the agent autosoft replicate to replicate itself into another node it seems that way.

There is a contradiction in the rules - that's all I'm saying.

The main point is that REPLICATE is not COPYING the AI. Still, a clarification is needed.


Actually, if you check page 110 of Unwired, it deals with AIs and the Replicate Autosoft: "note that sprites, AIs, and e-ghosts, as "living" digital entities, are incapable of copying themselves this way."
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post Jan 26 2010, 07:46 AM
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QUOTE (Snuggly Buffalo @ Jan 26 2010, 08:20 AM) *
Actually, if you check page 110 of Unwired, it deals with AIs and the Replicate Autosoft: "note that sprites, AIs, and e-ghosts, as "living" digital entities, are incapable of copying themselves this way."


Aaah, shadowrun RPG - where you need to check multiple books to be able to understand how ONE archetype works.

Yup, missed that one since I actually believed they had that covered in Runner Companion.
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- The Jopp   AI Allowed Programs   Jan 25 2010, 09:19 AM
- - Summerstorm   Well... no. As much as i would like it (I LOVE AI...   Jan 25 2010, 10:22 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Jan 25 2010, 06:22 A...   Jan 27 2010, 12:52 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Jan 27 2010, 01:52 ...   Jan 27 2010, 01:05 PM
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|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Jan 27 2010, 01:52 ...   Jan 27 2010, 01:13 PM
||- - Delarn   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jan 27 2010, 01:13 PM) ...   Jan 29 2010, 08:27 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Jan 27 2010, 05:52 ...   Jan 29 2010, 09:30 PM
|- - Mikado   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Jan 29 2010, 04:30 PM)...   Jan 30 2010, 07:43 PM
|- - MadDogMike   QUOTE (Mikado @ Jan 30 2010, 02:43 PM) Th...   Jan 30 2010, 08:48 PM
- - The Jopp   Another thing that always confuse me... What does...   Jan 25 2010, 11:15 AM
- - The Jopp   Another oddity: What happens when an AI use Repli...   Jan 25 2010, 11:41 AM
- - Summerstorm   First: They can't use simsense because they do...   Jan 25 2010, 12:40 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Jan 25 2010, 05:40 A...   Jan 25 2010, 04:24 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Jan 25 2010, 01:40 P...   Jan 25 2010, 05:14 PM
- - Garou   i don't remember the A.I. Rules well, so forgi...   Jan 25 2010, 05:40 PM
- - Draco18s   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jan 25 2010, 04:19 AM) ...   Jan 25 2010, 06:51 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jan 25 2010, 07:51 PM) ...   Jan 25 2010, 08:18 PM
|- - Snuggly Buffalo   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jan 25 2010, 01:18 PM) ...   Jan 26 2010, 07:20 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Snuggly Buffalo @ Jan 26 2010, 08...   Jan 26 2010, 07:46 AM
- - Delarn   AI can use drones, they can use autosoft and if th...   Jan 25 2010, 08:35 PM
- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jan 25 2010, 01:19 AM) ...   Jan 27 2010, 08:31 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Jan 27 2010, 09:31...   Jan 27 2010, 11:12 AM
- - Saint Sithney   I houserule the hell out of AIs. The 2 pages in R...   Jan 27 2010, 11:28 AM
- - The Jopp   The funny thing is that you can make an incredibly...   Jan 27 2010, 11:46 AM
|- - Kyre   Alright, paying up for each inherent skill is stil...   Jan 30 2010, 03:10 AM
|- - BlackHat   QUOTE (Kyre @ Jan 29 2010, 10:10 PM) I...   Jan 30 2010, 05:22 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Kyre @ Jan 30 2010, 04:10 AM) And ...   Jan 30 2010, 06:53 AM
- - The Jopp   Another slight headache. Pilot is equal to the OS...   Jan 27 2010, 12:17 PM
|- - Delarn   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jan 27 2010, 12:17 PM) ...   Jan 29 2010, 08:22 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Sure you can replace Pilot with System... or the o...   Jan 27 2010, 12:26 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jan 27 2010, 01...   Jan 27 2010, 12:29 PM
- - Kyre   I have a few questions about AI's myself, so I...   Jan 29 2010, 09:55 PM
|- - Delarn   QUOTE (Kyre @ Jan 29 2010, 09:55 PM) I ha...   Jan 30 2010, 01:19 PM
- - JoelHalpern   Kyre, responding with my understanding tosome of t...   Jan 29 2010, 10:29 PM
|- - BlackHat   QUOTE (JoelHalpern @ Jan 29 2010, 05:29 P...   Jan 29 2010, 10:34 PM
- - BlackHat   I've played two AI characters. One was a drone...   Jan 30 2010, 05:20 AM
- - Falconer   1. Optomize 3 and ergonomic 2. AI's can sta...   Jan 30 2010, 05:40 PM
- - JoelHalpern   A couple of folks have limited the optimize to 3. ...   Jan 30 2010, 06:19 PM
- - Kyre   The main reason I'm asking if E-ghosts are aff...   Jan 30 2010, 06:22 PM
- - Falconer   Hotsim +2 dice bonus and hotsim are two different ...   Jan 30 2010, 06:41 PM
- - darthmord   Don't forget a potential house rule of allowin...   Feb 3 2010, 09:06 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (darthmord @ Feb 3 2010, 10:06 PM) ...   Feb 4 2010, 07:54 AM
|- - darthmord   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Feb 4 2010, 02:54 AM) I...   Feb 4 2010, 04:45 PM
- - Kurious   If an AI goes into a node of an AR club; could it ...   Feb 3 2010, 09:47 PM
- - Kurious   ... So, the question above is no good?   Feb 4 2010, 03:24 AM
- - JoelHalpern   Since AR features are matrix constructs, an AI can...   Feb 4 2010, 04:04 AM
|- - Kurious   QUOTE (JoelHalpern @ Feb 4 2010, 04:04 AM...   Feb 4 2010, 05:24 PM
- - TheWanderingJewels   Look Like House Rules for AI's on this end the...   Feb 4 2010, 04:58 PM
- - The Jopp   E-Ghosts These guys are actually completely fucke...   Feb 4 2010, 07:11 PM


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