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[Karoline]

So, I've seen it come up a couple times before, and was having trouble finding a thread on it (I'm sure there has been), so I figured I'd make a new thread to ask:

Can a blind mage target anything on the physical plane without touching it?

Now, it seems like most people accept that a blind mage can target the physical plane without trouble while astrally perceiving. The problem I have with that is that an aura cannot be used to target something, and there is never anything which states that astral can target a spot on the physical plane by saying 'that spot right there but on the physical plane'.

The closest I can find is

An astrally perceiving
(or otherwise dual natured) magician can cast spells on a
target in either the physical world or in astral space.

but it doesn't specify that you can use astral sight to target something, simply that it is possible to cast a physical spell while perceiving, which can be done via touch spells, or in the case of duel natured creatures, by viewing through their physical senses.

So, is there anything more concrete that says you can in fact use astral sight to target a spell on the physical plane?

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

So, I've seen it come up a couple times before, and was having trouble finding a thread on it (I'm sure there has been), so I figured I'd make a new thread to ask:

Can a blind mage target anything on the physical plane without touching it?

Now, it seems like most people accept that a blind mage can target the physical plane without trouble while astrally perceiving. The problem I have with that is that an aura cannot be used to target something, and there is never anything which states that astral can target a spot on the physical plane by saying 'that spot right there but on the physical plane'.

The closest I can find is but it doesn't specify that you can use astral sight to target something, simply that it is possible to cast a physical spell while perceiving, which can be done via touch spells, or in the case of duel natured creatures, by viewing through their physical senses.

So, is there anything more concrete that says you can in fact use astral sight to target a spell on the physical plane?

If you are casting a spell on the physical plane while using Astral Perception, you are indeed targeting that target with the Astral Perception... it is even in the quote you put up...

QUOTE
An astrally perceiving
(or otherwise dual natured) magician can cast spells on a
target in either the physical world or in astral space.

Seems pretty cut and dried to me... a note though... you cannot ignore intervening barriers while using astral perception... if a person is behind a wall, astral perception will only give you the wall, not the person behind it; at which point you will not be able to cast that spell at that person......

Keep the Faith

[Karoline]

Seems pretty cut and dried to me...
Keep the Faith

Not really. It says that you can cast a physical spell at a target, it does not say that astral sight can establish a target via LoS. As I said in my OP, you can still cast a physical spell at a target via touch, which could be why the book says what it does. The quote says nothing at all about how a target is chosen or acquired.

The biggest reinforcement of that is the Ghoul Mage... he is blind, uses Astral Perception to target his spells and is capable of casting spell on the Physical Plane against physical targets... Pretty cut and dried I would think...

So, this is one of the big defenses I keep hearing, but where in the rules does it say "A ghoul mage can use his astral sight to cast physical spells at range."?