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[Karoline]

So, I've seen it come up a couple times before, and was having trouble finding a thread on it (I'm sure there has been), so I figured I'd make a new thread to ask:

Can a blind mage target anything on the physical plane without touching it?

Now, it seems like most people accept that a blind mage can target the physical plane without trouble while astrally perceiving. The problem I have with that is that an aura cannot be used to target something, and there is never anything which states that astral can target a spot on the physical plane by saying 'that spot right there but on the physical plane'.

The closest I can find is

An astrally perceiving
(or otherwise dual natured) magician can cast spells on a
target in either the physical world or in astral space.

but it doesn't specify that you can use astral sight to target something, simply that it is possible to cast a physical spell while perceiving, which can be done via touch spells, or in the case of duel natured creatures, by viewing through their physical senses.

So, is there anything more concrete that says you can in fact use astral sight to target a spell on the physical plane?

[pbangarth]

Not to be the stick-in-the-mud, but I still don't see an explanation anywhere about how the RAW that says 'can do both' contradicts the RAW that says 'can't do both at the same time'. Help me out, here.

I can chew gum. I can walk. But ..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) OK, a better example: I can walk, and I can drive a car. I am capable of both as long as I am in the state of 'being awake'. Just not at the same time.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Not to be the stick-in-the-mud, but I still don't see an explanation anywhere about how the RAW that says 'can do both' contradicts the RAW that says 'can't do both at the same time'. Help me out, here.

I can chew gum. I can walk. But ..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) OK, a better example: I can walk, and I can drive a car. I am capable of both as long as I am in the state of 'being awake'. Just not at the same time.

You are not actually seeing both planes at the same time, while astrally perceiving, you are perceiving the astral world, however, since you are Physical (percieveing remember) and you can see the auras of both living and nonliving things, you can still establish that link required for spell casting (or whatever esle you may be doing like driving, though at a penalty) and that will allow you to cast your physically based spell on the physical plane, at the target you have chosen, even if you are preceiving Astral Space...

Keep the Faith

[DeathStrobe]

You are not actually seeing both planes at the same time, while astrally perceiving, you are perceiving the astral world, however, since you are Physical (percieveing remember) and you can see the auras of both living and nonliving things, you can still establish that link required for spell casting (or whatever esle you may be doing like driving, though at a penalty) and that will allow you to cast your physically based spell on the physical plane, at the target you have chosen, even if you are preceiving Astral Space...

Keep the Faith

You know, can you REALLY drive while astrally perceiving? You can't see through glass, so you won't be able to see through the windshield. I guess you can always stick your head out the window or shoot out the windshield. But you definitely won't be able to follow stop lights or make out signs. So it sounds like a really bad idea.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

You know, can you REALLY drive while astrally perceiving? You can't see through glass, so you won't be able to see through the windshield. I guess you can always stick your head out the window or shoot out the windshield. But you definitely won't be able to follow stop lights or make out signs. So it sounds like a really bad idea.

Perhaps, but that is why you have a -2 Penalty to any physical action you would take... and driving my motorcycle, there is no glass to get in the way of my perception... but in cases like those, you can still follow the flow of the traffic around you, so even traffic lights are truly irrelevant, and if you are using gridguide, well, it would not matter anyways, as the system would handle all of that kind of crap...

Anything else is really just semantics at that point...

Keep the Faith

[Medicineman]

... and driving my motorcycle, there is no glass to get in the way of my perception...
Keep the Faith

what about your Bike Helmet ?

JahtaHey
Medicienman

[DeathStrobe]

what about your Bike Helmet ?

JahtaHey
Medicienman

Don't wear one. Helms are for chumps and will mess up the hair of the mage. You wouldn't want a mage to have bad hair would you?

[Dakka Dakka]

Don't wear one. Helms are for chumps and will mess up the hair of the mage. You wouldn't want a mage to have bad hair would you?

have you ever ridden a motorcycle at reasonable speed without eye protection? It is unpleasant to say the least.

And unless the mage's hairstyle is "blown away by airstream" wearing a helmet doesn't mess up the hair any more than driving without one.