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Lachdanan
post Jul 16 2010, 06:52 PM
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Really what are they, physically. I'm having a hard time conceptualizing what they are. Are they like an RFID'd card? Something on your Comlink? Something implanted in to you? Does the SIN database contain fingerprints? DNA? Retinal Scans? Pictures?

I know they can be scanned, but can you ever have it not on you?

When you have a fake one have you stolen someone's identity either living or dead? Or did someone along the path have a government contact who created a person who doesn't really exist?
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post Jul 20 2010, 10:49 PM
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SR's desire to explain its technobabble to us has always been a perilous (ok, not really) balance with 'just go with it'. One of the first hurdles I noticed was the face recognition issue that others have also pointed out. In a world with crazy fast cross checking ability, how hard would it be to have a subprogram that goes "Hey, why don't I also check to see if this face image comes up on any other SINs we have registered". Its not slow like looking through mugshots page by page in a book.

Then you add things like specific biodata which, assuming matches your cover ID, would also be easily compared to any other SINs with that specific biodata.


Personally, I'd be inclined to downplay whats on a SIN and how much is readily available for checking if you get 'pulled over by a cop'. For example, I got stopped by a cop for jaywalking a few years back (a rookie and a sergeant, so there was NO way I was getting out of that ticket, since I was obviously a training exercise), he asked for my ID then went to go write the ticket, he also asked "You got any warrants?", I didn't but I presume even after I said no, when he went back to the car he did a quick check on my name, came back with nothing suspicious, no warrants. I imagine he also did a cursory check to see if my ID was real.

in game sense, it should be roughly the same, Mr. Troll can I see your ID? and a quick check to see if there are any flags and if the ID seems legit.

in another sense, you know how we can all get those free credit checks once per year? But more frequently and you have to pay? Or if you want to reverse lookup a phone number you can sorta do it, but you have to pay for it? Maybe its like that for SINs. Any corp cop can request and get a 'credit check' that gives them the full run down, but its like a reverse quota thing, they get pressure from the bean counters on how much it costs to keep running checks. So they are encouraged to keep things as cursory as possible.

I realize there's a disconnect in my thinking, as realistically any costs to the corp for 'credit checks' would just get passed on somewhere else to a consumer, but its kinda the principle i'm shooting for.


On the other hand I'm reminded of the scene from Minority Report after Tom Cruise gets new eyes and enters a store that does a retinal scan and says "Hello Mr Asian Dude"


I guess ultimately I'm of the opinion that SIN checks should be done for drama and story purpose as opposed to literally every couple of steps when you pass another remote sensor.

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- Lachdanan   Questions on SINs   Jul 16 2010, 06:52 PM
- - Lanlaorn   A SIN is like a social security number. It's a...   Jul 16 2010, 06:57 PM
- - Doc Chase   It's a number that corresponds to a file in a ...   Jul 16 2010, 07:15 PM
|- - Johnny B. Good   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Jul 16 2010, 08:15 PM)...   Jul 16 2010, 08:18 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Johnny B. Good @ Jul 16 2010, 02:1...   Jul 16 2010, 09:39 PM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Johnny B. Good @ Jul 16 2010, 02:1...   Jul 16 2010, 09:51 PM
||- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jul 16 2010, 10:51 P...   Jul 16 2010, 09:53 PM
|- - Whiskey   QUOTE (Johnny B. Good @ Jul 16 2010, 01:1...   Jul 16 2010, 10:24 PM
- - Heath Robinson   I assume you are asking about SINs as they exist i...   Jul 16 2010, 07:15 PM
- - Whiskey   Hmmmm..... Which means it's possible to revers...   Jul 16 2010, 07:19 PM
|- - D2F   QUOTE (Whiskey @ Jul 16 2010, 07:19 PM) T...   Jul 16 2010, 07:33 PM
- - Doc Chase   Well sure. Just as the infodump that Heath provid...   Jul 16 2010, 07:30 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Jul 16 2010, 07:30 PM)...   Jul 16 2010, 07:45 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (sabs @ Jul 16 2010, 08:45 PM) See ...   Jul 16 2010, 07:49 PM
- - Lachdanan   Thanks for the replys. Another question. Lets say ...   Jul 16 2010, 07:44 PM
- - sabs   I call Shenaningans on the RAW the RAW makes /no ...   Jul 16 2010, 07:55 PM
|- - D2F   QUOTE (sabs @ Jul 16 2010, 07:55 PM) The ...   Jul 16 2010, 07:57 PM
- - Whiskey   May favorite SIN in the hands of my face guy was p...   Jul 16 2010, 07:57 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Actually, your Driver's License obviously has ...   Jul 16 2010, 07:58 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 16 2010, 08:58 PM...   Jul 16 2010, 08:03 PM
||- - Pepsi Jedi   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Jul 16 2010, 04:03 PM)...   Jul 16 2010, 08:12 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 16 2010, 07:58 PM...   Jul 16 2010, 08:06 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (sabs @ Jul 16 2010, 09:06 PM) Sure...   Jul 16 2010, 08:11 PM
- - hobgoblin   whats interesting is that BBB makes mention of a v...   Jul 16 2010, 08:02 PM
- - Lachdanan   I would think it would be possible to have informa...   Jul 16 2010, 08:04 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I don't think anyone's saying your commlin...   Jul 16 2010, 08:13 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 16 2010, 08:13 PM...   Jul 16 2010, 08:17 PM
- - Pepsi Jedi   Well I guess the difference is how much then. Age...   Jul 16 2010, 08:15 PM
- - sabs   I actually suspect it is /nothing/ except the numb...   Jul 16 2010, 08:22 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (sabs @ Jul 16 2010, 08:22 PM) I ac...   Jul 16 2010, 08:54 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Jul 16 2010, 09:54 PM)...   Jul 16 2010, 09:14 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (sabs @ Jul 16 2010, 09:14 PM) If y...   Jul 16 2010, 09:26 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Even if they wouldn't rely on it, it could sti...   Jul 16 2010, 08:29 PM
- - Doc Chase   If it were my R4, I woulda got me a refund because...   Jul 16 2010, 08:41 PM
- - Johnny B. Good   I like that rule. I forgot to mention that we...   Jul 16 2010, 08:53 PM
- - DireRadiant   A SIN is your identity. It is not needed for finan...   Jul 16 2010, 09:26 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Sounds right.   Jul 16 2010, 09:28 PM
- - DireRadiant   So you got some biometric data... Which system are...   Jul 16 2010, 09:31 PM
- - Acidsaliva   I tend to use this house rule for my SIN checksSIN...   Jul 16 2010, 09:35 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's too bad it's so clunky. :/ Does it pl...   Jul 16 2010, 09:38 PM
- - Doc Chase   Meh. I like the autofail/autosucceed rule, but it...   Jul 16 2010, 09:40 PM
- - Mordinvan   Jut reminds me of my favorite combination, sinner,...   Jul 16 2010, 10:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Erased is stupid-good, but the fact that it exists...   Jul 16 2010, 10:14 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 16 2010, 03:14 PM...   Jul 16 2010, 10:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yeah, I feel like Erased automatically erases SINn...   Jul 16 2010, 10:37 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 16 2010, 03:37 PM...   Jul 16 2010, 10:42 PM
- - Whiskey   I wonder if erased can be used like a kill switch ...   Jul 16 2010, 10:46 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I always use the 10BP version, which erases everyt...   Jul 16 2010, 10:48 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 16 2010, 03:48 PM...   Jul 17 2010, 02:39 PM
- - sabs   Except that it's a computer program, that...   Jul 16 2010, 10:56 PM
|- - Whiskey   QUOTE (sabs @ Jul 16 2010, 02:56 PM) ...   Jul 16 2010, 11:30 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Whiskey @ Jul 16 2010, 04:30 PM) B...   Jul 18 2010, 05:28 AM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (kzt @ Jul 17 2010, 10:28 PM) And e...   Jul 18 2010, 11:59 AM
|- - Mesh   QUOTE (kzt @ Jul 18 2010, 01:28 AM) ...er...   Jul 20 2010, 11:10 PM
- - Five Eyes   I've been thinking about exactly how often SIN...   Jul 16 2010, 11:14 PM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Five Eyes @ Jul 16 2010, 06:14 PM)...   Jul 17 2010, 07:08 AM
- - sabs   and the nexus and commlinks in Shadowrun are infin...   Jul 17 2010, 01:36 AM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (sabs @ Jul 16 2010, 08:36 PM) and ...   Jul 17 2010, 07:13 AM
- - Badmoodguy88   SINs probably employ a lot of principles of crypto...   Jul 17 2010, 07:15 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Right, I'm just saying the paragraphs contradi...   Jul 17 2010, 03:47 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 17 2010, 08:47 AM...   Jul 17 2010, 03:59 PM
- - Daylen   REPENT for your ways SINners!   Jul 18 2010, 01:54 AM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Daylen @ Jul 17 2010, 06:54 PM) RE...   Jul 18 2010, 02:06 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Psh, as if anything in SR makes *sense*.   Jul 18 2010, 05:29 AM
- - Voran   SR's desire to explain its technobabble to us ...   Jul 20 2010, 10:49 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Voran @ Jul 20 2010, 11:49 PM) I g...   Jul 20 2010, 10:53 PM
- - Mäx   To get around the duplicate problem, just make sur...   Jul 21 2010, 08:35 AM
- - simplexio   When speaking about Matrix 2.0 and unlimited resou...   Jul 21 2010, 12:42 PM
- - hobgoblin   so when its just a on the street check, especially...   Jul 21 2010, 01:08 PM
- - DireRadiant   There are different implications about SIN dependi...   Jul 21 2010, 01:30 PM
- - Warlordtheft   Because the BBB and Unwired are vague, I handle si...   Jul 21 2010, 05:58 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Well. Mostly not (33%), rarely (66%), and most of ...   Jul 21 2010, 06:01 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 21 2010, 07:01 PM...   Jul 21 2010, 06:02 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 21 2010, 01:01 PM...   Jul 21 2010, 07:12 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Jul 21 2010, 08:12 ...   Jul 21 2010, 07:15 PM
|- - Voran   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Jul 21 2010, 03:15 PM)...   Jul 21 2010, 07:21 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Voran @ Jul 21 2010, 08:21 PM) I d...   Jul 21 2010, 07:24 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Voran @ Jul 21 2010, 02:21 PM) I d...   Jul 22 2010, 01:36 PM
- - Yerameyahu   No one, but that was his example, not mine.   Jul 21 2010, 06:07 PM
- - DireRadiant   A fake SIN always passes the "Do you have a S...   Jul 21 2010, 09:23 PM
- - DireRadiant   Thought exercise. A PC is SINless and has not bou...   Jul 22 2010, 02:46 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jul 22 2010, 02:46 P...   Jul 22 2010, 03:02 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jul 22 2010, 07:46 A...   Jul 22 2010, 03:06 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (kzt @ Jul 22 2010, 03:06 PM) Eithe...   Jul 22 2010, 03:31 PM
|- - Mesh   QUOTE (sabs @ Jul 22 2010, 11:31 AM) In o...   Jul 22 2010, 05:56 PM
|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Mesh @ Jul 22 2010, 11:56 AM) A SI...   Jul 22 2010, 06:35 PM
- - sabs   You could manually edit the biometrics information...   Jul 22 2010, 06:09 PM
|- - Mesh   QUOTE (sabs @ Jul 22 2010, 02:09 PM) You ...   Jul 22 2010, 06:24 PM
- - Doc Chase   To hack someone's 'link, steal the SIN inf...   Jul 22 2010, 06:26 PM
- - Mesh   This discussion just got skewed. What makes a SIN...   Jul 22 2010, 07:22 PM
- - Doc Chase   Oh? By your logic than a teenager with a minimal ...   Jul 22 2010, 07:33 PM
|- - Mesh   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Jul 22 2010, 03:33 PM)...   Jul 22 2010, 07:47 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Mesh @ Jul 22 2010, 10:47 PM) Your...   Jul 22 2010, 07:55 PM
- - Doc Chase   It's more, and you know it's more. Not on...   Jul 22 2010, 07:55 PM
- - Mesh   Let's break it down, because the license verif...   Jul 22 2010, 07:58 PM
- - Doc Chase   Not entirely accurate. If you get pulled over, ch...   Jul 22 2010, 08:01 PM
|- - Mesh   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Jul 22 2010, 04:01 PM)...   Jul 22 2010, 08:13 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Mesh @ Jul 22 2010, 08:13 PM) Yeah...   Jul 22 2010, 08:18 PM
- - Yerameyahu   SCMODS!   Jul 22 2010, 08:02 PM
- - sabs   QUOTE From Pg 266@BBB Commlinks, Credsticks, and I...   Jul 22 2010, 08:19 PM
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