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Baatorian
post Oct 12 2005, 12:02 PM
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Basics. Last night my favourite character caught "tEh gh00l". Which basically totally ruins the character, or will require so much adaption that the entire personality and lifestyle will have to change. It's around a year long "campaign" type thing, so I'm going to naturally try to bear with it.

Due to this, I've actually gone out of my way to proper read ghouls and such and realised that they're horribly unbalanced, they get totally, TOTALLY shafted. Favourite character aside (although I wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for that fact), ghouls are supposed to be pickable as a PC race... yeah, right, who's going to do that?

Flavour is nice, yes. Although I'd compare picking ghoul to the flavour of shit.

So anyway, for the last couple of hours, I've been adding things up and jotting down some suggestions and trying to work out some of the extra modifiers that are hard to apply things with.

Basically, I'm trying to rebalance them so they come to a +0 total, slightly under or higher works too, which ever way, but they should end up a reasonable choice, despite all the negatives that happen.

Anyway, this is what I've kind of worked out with my odd logic, I'm sure not everyone will agree on the values and points I've added up. I'm mostly looking for suggestions and such to balance them up.

The creative minds of this lil' place should sure come up with more than myself only. I'm just going to paste my notes and such below, it's a little messy, but shouldn't be hard to read.


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  Unshafting Ghouls


Pros

+2 Body    = +4 BP
+1 Strength    = +2 BP
+1 Running Multipler  = +3 BP
Enchanced Smell (-2)  = +2 BP
Enchanted Hearing (-2)  = +2 BP
Immune to Vitas    = +2 BP

Total    = +15


Cons

-1 Charisma    = -2 BP
-1 Intelligence    = -2 BP
-1 Essence    = -4 BP*@
-1 Magic Rating    = -4 BP*$

Dietry Requirement (Flesh)  = -2 BP
Mild Allergy, Sunlight  = -3 BP
Sensitive System  = -3 BP@
Blind Flaw    = -6 BP
Dual Natured    = -10 BP$

Total    = -32
    = -35@ - Mundane
    = -28  - Magical

* Apply only one.
@ -1 Essence and Sensitive System Combined = -10 Total
$ -1 Magic and Dual Natured Combinaed  = -10 Total

  !S H A F T E D!

Also to note, YotC Mods

Altered Hair, Major  = -2
Altered Eye Colour  = -1
Altered Skin, Major  = -2

Also to note

Loses all Bioware  = -? ?? -6?
Most Cyberware Destroyed  = -? ?? -6?

Ghoul Social Modifiers  = -? ?? -4?*
* Bad Reputation 4 - +4 TN Social? Equal?

Yet.

Enhanced Claws    = +2 BP
Fangs    = +2 BP


Total Postitive Value  = +19
Total Negative Value  = -56/-49*
Total Difference to Fix  = 37/30

* Magically Active

Possible Enchanted Ghoul Variants (postive only)

Pros

+2 Body    = +4 BP
+1 Quickness ?    = +2 BP
+1 Strength    = +2 BP
+1 Running Multipler  = +3 BP
Double Jointed ?  = +1 BP
High Pain Tolerance Level 3 ?  = +6 BP
Enchanced Smell (-2)  = +2 BP
Enchanted Hearing (-2)  = +2 BP
Immune to Vitas    = +2 BP

Total  = +28 - Need another +28 for +0 Balance.

Note : Most Metatypes end up with a positive balance.


Thanks in advance,




- Baatorian
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- Baatorian   Ghouls.   Oct 12 2005, 12:02 PM
- - Ancient History   "Shit happens." I mean, really. It...   Oct 12 2005, 12:14 PM
- - Baatorian   Yes, shit does happen. That doesn't excuse th...   Oct 12 2005, 12:24 PM
- - Velocity   Yeah, with all due sympathy for your character...   Oct 12 2005, 12:24 PM
- - Ancient History   QUOTE (Baatorian) Out of curiousity, why do you al...   Oct 12 2005, 12:31 PM
- - Baatorian   Okay. Firstly. I'm not posting to try to ...   Oct 12 2005, 12:35 PM
- - Baatorian   QUOTE (Ancient History)Didn't realize I did. H...   Oct 12 2005, 12:39 PM
- - Nyxll   The long and short of it, is bad things happen to ...   Oct 12 2005, 12:42 PM
- - Ancient History   Ghouls are very playable - as far as roleplaying, ...   Oct 12 2005, 12:44 PM
- - Baatorian   Trying not to spam post here. Okay, please, imagi...   Oct 12 2005, 01:07 PM
- - Baatorian   QUOTE (Ancient History)Oh, and you would have noti...   Oct 12 2005, 01:16 PM
- - Nkari   Um, my last remake I considered a ghoul alot, the ...   Oct 12 2005, 01:19 PM
- - Baatorian   Yes, that roll does suck. We automatically assumed...   Oct 12 2005, 01:30 PM
- - Nkari   No I wasnt really magically active, just thought ...   Oct 12 2005, 01:37 PM
- - mmu1   If you're going to change things retroactively...   Oct 12 2005, 01:56 PM
- - Velocity   You actually make a compelling argument, Baatorian...   Oct 12 2005, 02:02 PM
- - Baatorian   Velocity - Thanks and finally someone seeing thing...   Oct 12 2005, 02:13 PM
- - Lucifer   As someone who's played a ghoul (not been turn...   Oct 12 2005, 02:35 PM
- - hyzmarca   The face is actually one of the least shafted arch...   Oct 12 2005, 03:46 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   Yeah, I'd say that's the right definition ...   Oct 12 2005, 05:15 PM
- - FrankTrollman   I haven't liked the whole idea of Krieger Stra...   Oct 12 2005, 07:14 PM
- - Velocity   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) OK... so the Blind drawback ...   Oct 12 2005, 07:20 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Very true. Of course, unlike the truly illiterate,...   Oct 12 2005, 07:36 PM
- - Baatorian   FrankTrollman - Hey, this isn't the SR4 forum ...   Oct 12 2005, 07:47 PM
- - Nikoli   Immune to VITAS should cost more as it's not a...   Oct 12 2005, 07:49 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) A Ghoul, as per the critter ...   Oct 12 2005, 07:50 PM
- - Baatorian   Nikoli - Yes, I knew someone would say that eventu...   Oct 12 2005, 07:53 PM
- - Velocity   QUOTE (FrankTrollman)Very true. Of course, unlike ...   Oct 12 2005, 07:54 PM
- - Nikoli   Not so much bastard GM. It's a risk of tangli...   Oct 12 2005, 08:00 PM
- - Baatorian   Velocity - SR3 Page 173. Astral Senses. Third Para...   Oct 12 2005, 08:10 PM
- - Bearclaw   I think the only thing you need to "balance...   Oct 12 2005, 08:14 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Although, I am with you with the Critters wr...   Oct 12 2005, 08:38 PM
- - Apathy   why is anyone really surprised that ghouls got hos...   Oct 12 2005, 09:01 PM
- - Baatorian   Frank. Yeah, we agree often. I mean, if you let th...   Oct 12 2005, 09:02 PM
- - Baatorian   Apathy - Yeah, I mean, Shapeshifters don't get...   Oct 12 2005, 09:05 PM
- - Apathy   QUOTE Oh, fuck, we can't let a PC have stats t...   Oct 12 2005, 09:06 PM
- - Apathy   QUOTE (Baatorian @ Oct 12 2005, 04:05 PM) Apa...   Oct 12 2005, 09:15 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Baatorian)If you take it from your stand po...   Oct 13 2005, 12:03 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) * Dual Natured. This is rath...   Oct 13 2005, 12:21 AM
- - Baatorian   Hmm. Actually, when I think about it, I don't...   Oct 13 2005, 12:29 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Baatorian)When exactly, if anyone knows, di...   Oct 13 2005, 12:38 AM
- - Ancient History   Ghouls have always been transformed humans or meta...   Oct 13 2005, 12:40 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Ancient History) Ghouls have always been tr...   Oct 13 2005, 12:48 AM
- - Ancient History   A detail, because it was explained (or if you pref...   Oct 13 2005, 12:57 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) How people managed to go the...   Oct 13 2005, 02:15 AM
- - Lucifer   Troll Ghouls are a threat to game balance? Have y...   Oct 13 2005, 02:12 PM


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