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Lazarus
post Dec 19 2005, 08:19 PM
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Trolls... Trolls on paper can appeal to most gamers for a number of reasons. They get nice stat bonuses for the powergamers. They can also be intimidating. And they also make a unique role-playing challenge to those players whose GMs are good at portraying racial hatred in the SR world. But my question goes more to functionality then anything else.

Now I want to clarify that I do not own any SR4 stuff, yet so I don't know if Trolls have changed from SR3... But here is my query to all you other SR GMs out there. What have you done to solve your Troll problems? By that I mean just having Trolls in your world.

Recently my group and I decided to play SR as close to reality as possible. Yes we still have magic and what not, but we did other things like, keeping track of eqiupment (You will find this makes a BIG difference when done right.), playing racial bias up, and other things of that nature.

The Troll problem started when a player with a Troll character innocently said to a human Sammie in the group "Hey I'll ride with you."

Me: But he drives a Jackrabbit. (Don't ask ;) )

Troll Player: So?

Me: So how is a 8 foot Troll's that's about 4 feet wide, 450+ lbs going to ride in a Jackrabbit?

Troll Player: Uhhh. On top?

Me: Nice Try.

That got me to thinking. How the hell do Trolls actually function in a city? Everything they buy would have to be specially made for them. I mean everything. A Troll can't just buy a normal car, hell a big Troll couldn't buy a big truck or SUV without some major modification. Living in a normal apartment would suck. Even if you look at some of the pictures of Trolls they couldn't use normal firearms with those huge hands. I mean we are talking about a race that makes Shaq look like an average member, well Shaq with horns growing out of his head.

Basically after looking at all the shit they couldn't do we decided just to drop it. But it's almost like we opened a Pandora's box. I've thought about taking Trolls out of the game altogether or just making them like 1st Edition Trolls. Just wondering if any of you other GMs encountered anything like this and what you tried to do about it if anything.

Thanks in advance

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- Lazarus   Problems with Trolls in SR   Dec 19 2005, 08:19 PM
- - Kagetenshi   The life of a Troll sucks. You have just discovere...   Dec 19 2005, 08:29 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) The life of a Troll (when he...   Dec 19 2005, 08:30 PM
- - Wiz In Red   Dwarves have many of the same issues (small size)....   Dec 19 2005, 08:37 PM
- - Method   Ah yes. Trolls. Basically to make things reali...   Dec 19 2005, 08:37 PM
- - Mr.Platinum   Once the 6th worlders get past racial issues, i...   Dec 19 2005, 08:41 PM
- - Method   Oh and about mark ups: I was just reading that ac...   Dec 19 2005, 08:46 PM
- - John Campbell   Consider: Now the racists have a reasonable justif...   Dec 19 2005, 09:05 PM
- - JRDobbs   One solution is just to make everything bigger in ...   Dec 19 2005, 09:06 PM
- - PiXeL01   Personally I have made think a tad bigger in my wo...   Dec 19 2005, 09:17 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (John Campbell @ Dec 19 2005, 04:05 PM)...   Dec 19 2005, 09:40 PM
- - ElFenrir   Well, i remember reading in the new SR4 book, that...   Dec 19 2005, 09:51 PM
- - Ancient History   Anyone else ever superglued a broken horn back int...   Dec 19 2005, 09:52 PM
- - Feshy   QUOTE (Ancient History) Anyone else ever superglue...   Dec 19 2005, 10:14 PM
- - TheHappyAnarchist   One thing that gets me is just the hand sizes. Ju...   Dec 19 2005, 10:21 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Troll modifications would have been completed on m...   Dec 19 2005, 10:30 PM
- - jervinator   After all these years, I am still amazed at how ma...   Dec 20 2005, 12:27 AM
- - mintcar   I have asked my players not to play troll characte...   Dec 20 2005, 12:57 AM
- - Ancient History   QUOTE (jervinator) When you play a 9 foot tall cha...   Dec 20 2005, 01:06 AM
- - mmu1   I never played a troll, but I did play a couple of...   Dec 20 2005, 01:53 AM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (Critias)QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 19 200...   Dec 20 2005, 02:09 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (mmu1) I never played a troll, but I did pla...   Dec 20 2005, 04:26 AM
- - Glyph   ...And the other 1/3 play albino gnome sorcerers.   Dec 20 2005, 05:04 AM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Critias) So you wanted to play humans with ...   Dec 20 2005, 05:06 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   As an aside... It occurs to me that human-sized we...   Dec 20 2005, 05:28 AM
- - Kagetenshi   They do. Cannon Companion lists rules for compensa...   Dec 20 2005, 05:52 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   I was thinking of mass rather than STR, but for a ...   Dec 20 2005, 05:53 AM
- - Calvin Hobbes   That's covered in cannon companion, p.103: any...   Dec 20 2005, 06:20 AM
- - PiXeL01   Another thing about being troll is you dont need a...   Dec 20 2005, 06:38 AM
- - tisoz   When playing with GMs who make a point about size,...   Dec 20 2005, 06:22 PM
- - SL James   QUOTE (mmu1) QUOTE (Critias @ Dec 20 2005, 12...   Dec 21 2005, 12:19 AM
- - Shrapnel   Personally, I've always felt that Trolls shoul...   Dec 21 2005, 01:49 AM
- - jervinator   Shrapnel - proportionally, their gear is usually n...   Dec 21 2005, 03:47 AM
- - Lazarus   QUOTE (ElFenrir)BTW...I never really delved ALL th...   Dec 21 2005, 04:00 PM
- - PlatonicPimp   Sometimes I think we may overestimate the problems...   Dec 21 2005, 05:05 PM
- - Cain   I have played a troll where I really *enjoyed* pla...   Dec 21 2005, 05:58 PM
- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (Lazarus) First Edition Trolls from what I c...   Dec 21 2005, 08:03 PM
- - TheHappyAnarchist   The artwork with the smaller trolls is actually th...   Dec 22 2005, 05:08 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (mmu1) QUOTE (Critias @ Dec 20 2005, 12...   Dec 23 2005, 05:02 PM
- - Apathy   QUOTE (Critias) In fact, it never ever happens. N...   Dec 23 2005, 06:51 PM
- - Calvin Hobbes   There's certainly been a decisive divide betwe...   Dec 24 2005, 05:52 AM
- - Lazarus   I always play or enforce the human looking edge as...   Dec 24 2005, 06:10 AM
- - Liper   a elf with human looking, I doubt would ever be fo...   Dec 24 2005, 07:16 AM
- - Chibu   Uhm, Trolls also are pretty rare beasts. You don...   Dec 24 2005, 11:47 AM
- - Ed_209a   But you would see them towering over the crowd her...   Dec 24 2005, 01:20 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Critias @ Dec 23 2005, 01:02 PM) Right...   Dec 24 2005, 06:00 PM
- - Critias   Sorry, but I really just don't care enough to ...   Dec 24 2005, 07:21 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Critias) Sorry, but I really just don't...   Dec 24 2005, 07:31 PM
- - Critias   I didn't say I don't care. I said I don...   Dec 24 2005, 07:49 PM
- - Kagetenshi   This is clearly the work of the Horrors. Humanity ...   Dec 24 2005, 08:04 PM
- - Fix-it   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) This is clearly the work of the...   Dec 25 2005, 03:13 AM
- - toturi   Anyone up for another Horrifying blowout on New Ye...   Dec 25 2005, 03:44 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Not for naught do I bring it up ~J   Dec 25 2005, 03:56 AM
- - Calvin Hobbes   I care! More people play taller-than-average ...   Dec 25 2005, 04:56 PM
- - Nidhogg   QUOTE (Fix-it) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 24 200...   Dec 25 2005, 05:28 PM
- - EVLTIM   Man this thread really makes me miss playing my Fr...   Dec 25 2005, 10:22 PM
- - Liper   a 6 foot foil? you sure that's not just a lead...   Dec 26 2005, 12:29 AM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (TheHappyAnarchist)The artwork with the smal...   Dec 26 2005, 01:47 AM
- - Gyro the Greek Sandwich Pirate   Hmm, I didn't see any, but do the gunsmithing ...   Dec 26 2005, 01:58 AM
- - BookWyrm   You can have Trolls with horns, you can have Troll...   Dec 26 2005, 02:14 AM
- - Patrick Goodman   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) Troll modifications would ha...   Dec 26 2005, 02:44 AM
- - Patrick Goodman   I knew I'd addressed the issue of tall dwarfs ...   Dec 26 2005, 03:06 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (Patrick Goodman) QUOTE (FrankTrollman ...   Dec 26 2005, 04:55 AM
- - Ophis   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) QUOTE (Patrick Goodman ...   Dec 26 2005, 10:46 AM
- - PBTHHHHT   Lol. ShadowDragon, that was a good one. I almost...   Dec 26 2005, 11:06 AM
- - Patrick Goodman   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) The elves because they wa...   Dec 26 2005, 01:52 PM


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