Fixed it for ya.

More importantly, buildings are grandfathered into new accessibility laws and only have to be made compliant with them if renovations or new construction exceeds a certain (not huge but not trivial) percentage of the total assessed value of the property—I believe it was 30%, but it's been about a year since I typed up my last accessibility report. Unless they're already rebuilding, they'd not need to worry about fines or bribing inspectors (which really only works for non-publicly-accessible areas, as if someone reports it then you're either back to bribing again or in hot water).

~J

That's noth'n Ever tried to buy industrial glue solvent with one hand stuck to your horn? Damn agility penalty...

I think maybe they get pistols that say "REPLICA" on the side as often as they say "Desert Eagle, Point Seven Five."

-Frank

Unless you pay very careful attention to the character questions and make a midget troll two meters tall and two meters wide. That's just priceless.

That's awesome.

You nailed it. I've had that issue in my games before.

So you wanted to play humans with stat bonuses and built-in vision mods. I'm pretty sure about 2/3 of Dwarf players do that, yeah.

I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about 73% of the time...

Nice comeback.

First Edition Trolls from what I can remember of them didn't have horns. I could be wrong on this, but I think the differences between them and Orks were stat wise. I know that the Troll Sammie in the Street samurai Catalog had a horn. Trolls were bigger more Stupid versions of Orks with dermal deposits. Trolls on average were taller than any race with exception of elves I think. (You will have to forgive me but I don't have access to my 1st Edition SR book ATM.) But with that description they could still function in modern society for the most part.

Of course as artists go everytime you see a Troll in any SR art he is F**king monstrous! I mean look at the Troll with no horns in the Mob War supplement if you have it. Cheese and Crackers that guy is almost too big to fit in outside let alone indoors.

First lets tackle some Troll world problems:

Buildings: People in this post have talked about buildings being grandfathered in and that makes sense, but as for Mega corps being nice and politically correct I would have to say no. Think about they're Megas. They have Extraterritoriality. They are their own countries. Worse then that they are countries that are focused on profit not the welfare of the citizens. That don't have to do anything. Would some more enlightened Megas do it, maybe. Ares and S-K maybe but not universal. Yametsu sure. But Renraku, Mitsuhama, and Shiawase hell no. Think of trying to do a run in those types of buildings. A firefight in a hallway and the Troll probably dies first. Why? Everyone shoots at him (Oh F**k a Troll!) and tight quarters (for him) means not much cover (Hmm. Maybe this desk could provide cover for my shins)

Gear: Yeah Trolls get good and bad here. I'm sure there are companies that would manufacture for Trolls, why not there is a market for it. But Trolls would still have to pay top dollar for it. Hey more material costs means more money. Less competition means more money. Look at Big & Tall or Casual Male in today's world and see the price difference vesus normal retail chains. This doesn't take into account whether Trolls need to eat mroe than humans just keep up that bulk. If they do then that's more money.

So let's say you want to play a big bad troll. What SR team would want you around? Think how many problems you would create rather then solve. I mean sure you're a bullet shield who can lift big things. So what. Playing more realistic gunfights there really isn't a use for that. Factor in the intelligence negatives and racial bias and you have a problem.

To clarify I am not biased against using Trolls. I think their great! In a fantasy setting. I personally think that the Game Designers threw them in the setting to get it a more Fantasy/Earthdawn type feel. I guess you can play a Troll if you modify them to be close to human, but then what's the point? Just play an Ork. You get a more realistic role-playing experience.

Well thanks for the comments. Good to know I'm not the only GM this have stumped.

While the troll horns were often smaller, some times didn't come in symmetrical pairs, and in general were a lot more subtle in first edition in the first edition core rulebook, they were there.

The very first image of a troll in the book, p.7 has definite horns. Small, mismatched, but they are there.

The troll on p.24 picking his nose with his middle finger (the picture that got FASA in trouble with a gaming store called Orc's Nest in England because it was dangerously close to being a copy of their store logo) has a single horn.

The artwork accompanying the metaspecies description on p.29 also has a single horn. Oddly enough, the text makes no mention of horns.

The troll with smart goggles and a gyromount harness on p.145 has a pair of short conical horns pointing straight up; on the next page is a troll sporting what looks like a rhino horn.

The Troll Bouncer contact on p.173 has an impressive ram horn-style horn on one side, and a hornlike nub opposite of it.

p.194 has another picture of the same character from p.7. The horns are more symmetrical in this one.

Of course, by the time the first edition supplements started coming out, the art department had gotten the message to play up the troll horns. As was pointed out, the troll from SSG had decent hornage and one of the color plates from Seattle SB (the one depicting various Seattle security guard uniforms) also has a troll with some impressive horns.

Right. Because, y'know, 2/3 of the Dwarves people mention on here ("draw this character" or "this is my new character" or "this funny thing happened in the game last night, with this character" or whatever) aren't those "exceptionally tall" Dwarves, that can pass as human. You're right. I'm making that up.

In fact, it never ever happens. No one, anywhere, ever, given the choice, decides to play a really tall, skinny, Dwarf. It hasn't happened. At all. I'm hallucinating the whole thing.

seem a little touchy today...

Examples? I don't recall ever - aside from my recent post in the "Art Attack" thread (and my character happens to be tall for a dwarf but stocky, and not remotely able to pass for human - and has cybereyes, so no natural vision mods...) - reading anything else about tall (much less skinny, or able to pass as human) dwarves on this board.

Though I'll freely admit I don't pay that much attention to "This is my character!" threads. So I could be wrong.

Way to backpedal there... If you didn't care, you should have kept your trap shut in the first place.