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post Oct 8 2003, 12:29 PM
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Ok, first off I think the TN modifiers for Friends/Opponents in combat is insane. :P Although it does make sense that a 5 on 1 would result in the 5 winning, it doesn't recognize the inherent skill of the opponents. We have a guy in our group who always rolls a good 45 dice with his sword skill without the use of Combat Pool. With a represented skill of 45 (literally a skill of 12 with +8 Improved skill for a skill of 20 + 2 Weapon Foci and Ambidexterity) against a group of thugs with skills of 4, you'd think there'd be no contest. However, in the current system, he'd BARELY succeed and only if he kept his luck.

Now, this example is EXTREME, after all when do you encounter someone who can roll 45 dice without combat pool in combat? A Master Martial Artist might have a skill of 12 and lack the Foci and Improved skill, but I'd expect them to take down 5 opponents without blinking an eye. That's impossible with this system. So anyhows, I'm curious as to what sort of House Rules people have come up with to make it more sensible. Close Combat is kinda an answer, but that goes the opposite extreme. Now, having 5 people against you doesn't effect you at all. Don't want that either...

I'm thinking a House rule along the lines of, for every X you receive a +1TN (not a -1TN), where X is an Attribute like Quickness/2 or something. Reaction seems a good idea too until you see how high people can get their Reaction to. :P

Anyhows, thoughts on a possible House Rule?

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- Sphynx   Close Combat   Oct 8 2003, 12:29 PM
- - Dashifen   I agree that the friends/opponents in melee rules ...   Oct 8 2003, 12:39 PM
- - Hot Wheels   Skill of 12? Rolling 45 dice? Check please!   Oct 8 2003, 01:02 PM
- - Sphynx   And I bet you pre-judge him and think he doesn...   Oct 8 2003, 01:06 PM
- - Hot Wheels   no. Just when you start rolling that many dice you...   Oct 8 2003, 01:16 PM
- - Sphynx   Actually, a 6 is 'Mastered', 'World Cl...   Oct 8 2003, 01:37 PM
- - mfb   actually, 8 is world-renowned level, or at least w...   Oct 8 2003, 01:38 PM
- - rainbow   I would like to make a point here if I may. (Outw...   Oct 8 2003, 02:22 PM
- - hobgoblin   the point is that most combat arts are focused on ...   Oct 8 2003, 02:25 PM
- - Sphynx   I guarantee that I could take on 4 'basic...   Oct 8 2003, 02:52 PM
- - hobgoblin   define basic people... someone without any ...   Oct 8 2003, 03:10 PM
- - BitBasher   Er, IIRC getting +2 AND -2 for 2 opponents was 2nd...   Oct 8 2003, 03:25 PM
- - TinkerGnome   If it's that big a deal to the player (ie, he...   Oct 8 2003, 03:27 PM
- - Sphynx   Bit, you're thinking of Reach. 3rd Ed has up ...   Oct 8 2003, 03:35 PM
- - Wish   A "basic" person is Strength 3, Body 3 w...   Oct 8 2003, 03:39 PM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (BitBasher) Er, IIRC getting +2 AND -2 for 2...   Oct 8 2003, 03:44 PM
- - Sphynx   See, now you're also going to extremes, in the...   Oct 8 2003, 03:48 PM
- - DigitalMage   This is the trouble of this system, without some o...   Oct 8 2003, 04:39 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Sphynx) Maybe reduce your 'skill', ...   Oct 8 2003, 05:25 PM
- - CanvasBack   I second Kagetenshi. As long as we seem to be inj...   Oct 8 2003, 05:45 PM
- - Sphynx   Well, I'm a Brown Belt testing for Black (agai...   Oct 8 2003, 05:46 PM
- - Game2BHappy   QUOTE (Sphynx)I absolutely guarantee that there is...   Oct 8 2003, 06:18 PM
- - Sphynx   That's actually an interesting idea. You wait...   Oct 8 2003, 06:25 PM
- - Game2BHappy   You're welcome - this has helped keep our PC...   Oct 8 2003, 06:35 PM
- - vinsane   Sphinx... to much roll-playing Seriously... you...   Oct 8 2003, 06:36 PM
- - Jpwoo   45 dice? Time to retire. See the thread on dual w...   Oct 8 2003, 07:22 PM
- - BitBasher   Okay, substitute what I said with "My house r...   Oct 8 2003, 07:34 PM
- - Swansonegger   QUOTE (Jpwoo) One of the strengths of the system i...   Oct 8 2003, 11:07 PM
- - Mystery Mantis   if you don't like how it applies a mod to each...   Oct 9 2003, 12:05 AM
- - hobgoblin   green beret = career soldier yes? and im not talki...   Oct 9 2003, 12:11 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Hobgoblin, you're going into flamewar territor...   Oct 9 2003, 12:31 AM
- - BitBasher   Which brings me to a point, when picking an art to...   Oct 9 2003, 12:51 AM
- - Kagetenshi   No. Contact fighting yes, sparring no. ~J   Oct 9 2003, 12:54 AM
- - hobgoblin   thanks for the warning, i dont knowwhat got me so ...   Oct 9 2003, 12:57 AM
- - Tziluthi   Learning how to break people's arms and restra...   Oct 9 2003, 01:46 AM
- - Siege   It may be too late for the flamewar warning -- the...   Oct 9 2003, 03:17 AM
- - mfb   i do think it's kind of silly that facing mult...   Oct 9 2003, 03:30 AM
- - danbot37   I have no doubt that sphynx or anyone else with th...   Oct 9 2003, 03:40 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Three or four guys with no training, yes. Three or...   Oct 9 2003, 03:41 AM
- - danbot37   Well, yea, exactly. After all, if they know how t...   Oct 9 2003, 03:47 AM
- - John Campbell   I'll second Kagetenshi on this. I've been ...   Oct 9 2003, 04:44 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE Well, I'm a Brown Belt testing for Black...   Oct 9 2003, 04:52 AM
- - Siege   As John pointed, so long as the Roman Legions can ...   Oct 9 2003, 03:27 PM
- - OurTeam   QUOTE (vinsane)Dodging is only a target number of ...   Oct 11 2003, 03:21 AM
- - Glyph   Whirling isn't really that broken of a maneuve...   Oct 11 2003, 07:36 AM
- - vinsane   Why does reach bother you. It's only in effect...   Oct 11 2003, 07:51 AM
- - Sahandrian   I was thinking. What if instead of having TN mods ...   Oct 11 2003, 07:59 AM
- - Harkon   I think you end up dead faster this way, since you...   Oct 11 2003, 11:41 AM
- - Glyph   And SR melee combat is based on dice contests, so ...   Oct 12 2003, 02:59 AM
- - Halloween Jack   QUOTE (Sphynx) Black Belt WorldClass Master beat ...   Oct 12 2003, 10:48 PM


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