May 3 2006, 04:10 PM
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This topic has nothing to do with trying to drop AE spells on people around the corner down a hallway :P
Our mage decided the other day that the most effective way he had of neutralizing a bunch of people in the same elevator he was in was stunball. Anybody he could see, obviously, was a valid target. In our games, we've ruled that the CASTER is also a valid target because he's got LOS to his own aura, which surrounds him. The oddball questions come from how, exactly, Line of Sight is defined. Can he protect his sammie buddy in the elevator by having the sammie stand behind him, where he can't "see" him but you can draw LOS on the Astral (and in real life, actually)? Is your "LOS" just a cone that extends from your eyes outwards, or does it radiate from them in a sphere (keeping with the eyes being the center of LOS prevents things like sticking your hand around the corner and frying somebody you can't see physically)? Do some of his targets have cover if they're got another person standing between him and the mage, thus providing a penalty for some of the people in the area of effect? If so, how would you figure this in, since the mage only makes one roll? |
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Shrike30 Area effect spells and line of sight May 3 2006, 04:10 PM
stevebugge I think it is the field of vision primarily, thoug... May 3 2006, 04:21 PM
bustedkarma IIRC in the Book, it talks about a caster being ab... May 3 2006, 04:33 PM
mfb it talks about what? where? May 3 2006, 04:40 PM
blakkie The sidebar "Theories On The Nature of Magic... May 3 2006, 05:05 PM
bustedkarma what he said. May 3 2006, 05:08 PM
Dashifen It works fine for indirects, you're just tuni... May 3 2006, 05:25 PM
blakkie QUOTE (Dashifen) It works fine for indirects, you... May 3 2006, 05:39 PM
James McMurray That quote in no way addresses the ability to leav... May 3 2006, 06:24 PM
Dashifen QUOTE (James McMurray) That quote in no way addres... May 3 2006, 06:33 PM
mfb good god. that's the worst metaphor ever. May 3 2006, 06:35 PM
James McMurray good god. that's the most obvious overstatemen... May 3 2006, 06:40 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 12:24 PM)... May 3 2006, 06:50 PM
James McMurray You just need a facing decision at the moment he c... May 3 2006, 06:53 PM
mfb i dunno. if you allow that, why not allow holding ... May 3 2006, 06:56 PM
Apathy QUOTE (Shrike30) The oddball questions come from h... May 3 2006, 07:01 PM
James McMurray Sure, pick a subset of your arc, and then we'l... May 3 2006, 07:03 PM
mfb not a houserule. SR4 page 173 notes that visibilit... May 3 2006, 07:05 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 12:53 PM)... May 3 2006, 07:06 PM
Big D Heh. That's why I prefer AOE that works like ... May 3 2006, 07:06 PM
James McMurray QUOTE (blakkie) QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3... May 3 2006, 07:09 PM
James McMurray QUOTE (Big D) If said friendly is grappling with a... May 3 2006, 07:11 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 01:09 PM)... May 3 2006, 07:12 PM
James McMurray There you have it. If the caster looks away, count... May 3 2006, 07:17 PM
blakkie QUOTE (mfb @ May 3 2006, 12:35 PM) good god. ... May 3 2006, 07:17 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 01:17 PM)... May 3 2006, 07:30 PM
James McMurray Counterspelling facing: if he's sitting in the... May 3 2006, 07:48 PM
James McMurray QUOTE (blakkie) EDIT: But then i'm not a Battl... May 3 2006, 07:49 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray) If someone is staring inten... May 3 2006, 07:56 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 01:49 PM)... May 3 2006, 07:57 PM
James McMurray QUOTE You can't go into a Hide while under obs... May 3 2006, 08:08 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 02:08 PM)... May 3 2006, 08:34 PM
mfb haha, wow. i'll be right back. forgot my popco... May 3 2006, 08:38 PM
blakkie While you are there could you pick up up one of th... May 3 2006, 08:44 PM
hobgoblin i just wish they would forget about the direct stu... May 3 2006, 08:51 PM
blakkie QUOTE (hobgoblin @ May 3 2006, 02:51 PM) ....... May 3 2006, 08:59 PM
hobgoblin and beyond x number of targets within y area, your... May 3 2006, 09:05 PM
Big D Personally, I'd like to see all AOE spells wor... May 3 2006, 09:15 PM
hobgoblin that is exactly how indirect AOE combat spells wor... May 3 2006, 09:18 PM
mfb you know what i'd do, if i could block out cer... May 3 2006, 09:20 PM
James McMurray QUOTE Um, you create the distraction somewhere you... May 3 2006, 09:21 PM
blakkie QUOTE (Big D) But, at this point, I'm rather c... May 3 2006, 09:22 PM
James McMurray QUOTE (mfb) you know what i'd do, if i could b... May 3 2006, 09:22 PM
mfb explain to me how it's not a free pass. use lo... May 3 2006, 09:23 PM
James McMurray QUOTE I'm a little frustrated that there are s... May 3 2006, 09:24 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 03:21 PM)... May 3 2006, 09:40 PM
James McMurray If you want to assume for simplicity's sake th... May 3 2006, 09:47 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 03:47 PM)... May 3 2006, 09:50 PM
James McMurray That's ok, I think you're a moron too. May 3 2006, 09:52 PM
blakkie The difference being that you've actually mana... May 3 2006, 09:53 PM
James McMurray If you believe the post of a moron claiming to hav... May 3 2006, 09:55 PM
blakkie Don't you have better things to do? Like creat... May 3 2006, 10:04 PM
yesman QUOTE (hobgoblin) that is exactly how indirect AOE... May 3 2006, 10:11 PM
mfb you guys really, really deserve each other. May 3 2006, 10:14 PM
blakkie QUOTE (mfb @ May 3 2006, 04:14 PM) you guys r... May 3 2006, 10:22 PM
hobgoblin QUOTE (yesman @ May 4 2006, 12:11 AM) QUOTE (... May 3 2006, 10:46 PM
James McMurray blakkie, leaving aside the pointless insults (if y... May 3 2006, 10:51 PM
Apathy Please don't think I'm taking sides here -... May 4 2006, 12:18 AM
Kanada Ten Well, a caster can always remove hits on a spellca... May 4 2006, 12:36 AM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 04:51 PM)... May 4 2006, 05:01 AM
Apathy While a character is fully capable of turning his ... May 4 2006, 03:38 PM
booklord QUOTE i think allowing mages to block their LOS wi... May 4 2006, 04:06 PM
blakkie QUOTE (Apathy @ May 4 2006, 09:38 AM) While a... May 4 2006, 08:53 PM
Shrike30 If we could pass on the discussion of D20 for a bi... May 4 2006, 09:16 PM
Apathy QUOTE (blakkie) QUOTE (Apathy @ May 4 2006, 0... May 4 2006, 09:28 PM
blakkie QUOTE (Apathy @ May 4 2006, 03:28 PM) It... May 4 2006, 09:32 PM
James McMurray QUOTE See, the --dice-- inconjuction with the char... May 4 2006, 09:34 PM
Shrike30 QUOTE (James McMurray) Re targetting: do you let y... May 4 2006, 09:45 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 4 2006, 03:34 PM)... May 4 2006, 09:46 PM
Shrike30 Shaaaaaaadoooooowruuuuuuuun.... May 4 2006, 10:03 PM
Dissonance Dragging up a point from the very freaking beginni... May 4 2006, 10:03 PM
blakkie QUOTE (Dissonance) The Hand thing? I think that o... May 4 2006, 10:06 PM
Dissonance Well. Here's another thought I had while just... May 4 2006, 10:07 PM
blakkie *does some quick trig to try figure out if he can ... May 4 2006, 10:09 PM
Shrike30 QUOTE (Dissonance) Cone-shaped magic, a la old-sch... May 4 2006, 10:10 PM
blakkie QUOTE (Shrike30 @ May 4 2006, 04:10 PM) QUOTE... May 4 2006, 10:11 PM
Dissonance O SHI WIRE FRAMES AND BATTLEMAPS.
Admittedly, I l... May 4 2006, 10:14 PM
blakkie I still like battlemats for SR, but more for descr... May 4 2006, 10:28 PM
Dissonance I like the idea of using tape measures, but, hones... May 4 2006, 10:30 PM
James McMurray QUOTE Is this question directed at me?
If you wa... May 4 2006, 10:33 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 4 2006, 04:33 PM)... May 4 2006, 10:45 PM
James McMurray Um... I already know there aren't facing rules... May 4 2006, 10:57 PM
Kanada Ten QUOTE If someone isn't looking at you, they do... May 4 2006, 11:00 PM
James McMurray Can you provide a page reference where it states t... May 4 2006, 11:10 PM
Kanada Ten The first paragraph of the Spell Casting section, ... May 4 2006, 11:14 PM
James McMurray I'm 15 miles away from my book. Is it a large ... May 4 2006, 11:19 PM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 4 2006, 05:19 PM)... May 5 2006, 12:15 AM
James McMurray You find it hard to believe that I can remember th... May 5 2006, 12:53 AM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 4 2006, 06:53 PM)... May 5 2006, 03:03 AM
James McMurray The rules do not state how long it takes to target... May 5 2006, 03:09 AM
blakkie QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 4 2006, 09:09 PM)... May 5 2006, 03:12 AM
James McMurray Ah, the old "I'm beaten so I'll toss ... May 5 2006, 03:30 AM
mfb i rarely get a chance to laugh as hard as i have w... May 5 2006, 03:37 AM
James McMurray You're welcome. May 5 2006, 03:42 AM
hobgoblin so, can we say that for simplisitys sake:
if you ... May 5 2006, 03:56 AM
James McMurray Yes, you can say that. Not everyone will agree, bu... May 5 2006, 03:59 AM
Apathy QUOTE (blakkie @ May 4 2006, 04:32 PM) So bas... May 5 2006, 05:08 AM
hobgoblin thing is that LOS do not imply that you have to ac... May 5 2006, 07:41 AM
Kremlin KOA I find myself agreeing with Blakkie
MFB I'm s... May 5 2006, 08:21 AM
mfb there, there, nothing to be afraid of. even a rabi... May 5 2006, 09:52 AM![]() ![]() |
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