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Shrike30
post May 3 2006, 04:10 PM
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This topic has nothing to do with trying to drop AE spells on people around the corner down a hallway :P

Our mage decided the other day that the most effective way he had of neutralizing a bunch of people in the same elevator he was in was stunball. Anybody he could see, obviously, was a valid target. In our games, we've ruled that the CASTER is also a valid target because he's got LOS to his own aura, which surrounds him.

The oddball questions come from how, exactly, Line of Sight is defined.

Can he protect his sammie buddy in the elevator by having the sammie stand behind him, where he can't "see" him but you can draw LOS on the Astral (and in real life, actually)?

Is your "LOS" just a cone that extends from your eyes outwards, or does it radiate from them in a sphere (keeping with the eyes being the center of LOS prevents things like sticking your hand around the corner and frying somebody you can't see physically)?

Do some of his targets have cover if they're got another person standing between him and the mage, thus providing a penalty for some of the people in the area of effect?

If so, how would you figure this in, since the mage only makes one roll?
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- Shrike30   Area effect spells and line of sight   May 3 2006, 04:10 PM
- - stevebugge   I think it is the field of vision primarily, thoug...   May 3 2006, 04:21 PM
- - bustedkarma   IIRC in the Book, it talks about a caster being ab...   May 3 2006, 04:33 PM
- - mfb   it talks about what? where?   May 3 2006, 04:40 PM
- - blakkie   The sidebar "Theories On The Nature of Magic...   May 3 2006, 05:05 PM
- - bustedkarma   what he said.   May 3 2006, 05:08 PM
- - Dashifen   It works fine for indirects, you're just tuni...   May 3 2006, 05:25 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Dashifen) It works fine for indirects, you...   May 3 2006, 05:39 PM
- - James McMurray   That quote in no way addresses the ability to leav...   May 3 2006, 06:24 PM
- - Dashifen   QUOTE (James McMurray) That quote in no way addres...   May 3 2006, 06:33 PM
- - mfb   good god. that's the worst metaphor ever.   May 3 2006, 06:35 PM
- - James McMurray   good god. that's the most obvious overstatemen...   May 3 2006, 06:40 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 12:24 PM)...   May 3 2006, 06:50 PM
- - James McMurray   You just need a facing decision at the moment he c...   May 3 2006, 06:53 PM
- - mfb   i dunno. if you allow that, why not allow holding ...   May 3 2006, 06:56 PM
- - Apathy   QUOTE (Shrike30) The oddball questions come from h...   May 3 2006, 07:01 PM
- - James McMurray   Sure, pick a subset of your arc, and then we'l...   May 3 2006, 07:03 PM
- - mfb   not a houserule. SR4 page 173 notes that visibilit...   May 3 2006, 07:05 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 12:53 PM)...   May 3 2006, 07:06 PM
- - Big D   Heh. That's why I prefer AOE that works like ...   May 3 2006, 07:06 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (blakkie) QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3...   May 3 2006, 07:09 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Big D) If said friendly is grappling with a...   May 3 2006, 07:11 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 01:09 PM)...   May 3 2006, 07:12 PM
- - James McMurray   There you have it. If the caster looks away, count...   May 3 2006, 07:17 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (mfb @ May 3 2006, 12:35 PM) good god. ...   May 3 2006, 07:17 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 01:17 PM)...   May 3 2006, 07:30 PM
- - James McMurray   Counterspelling facing: if he's sitting in the...   May 3 2006, 07:48 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (blakkie) EDIT: But then i'm not a Battl...   May 3 2006, 07:49 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray) If someone is staring inten...   May 3 2006, 07:56 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 01:49 PM)...   May 3 2006, 07:57 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE You can't go into a Hide while under obs...   May 3 2006, 08:08 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 02:08 PM)...   May 3 2006, 08:34 PM
- - mfb   haha, wow. i'll be right back. forgot my popco...   May 3 2006, 08:38 PM
- - blakkie   While you are there could you pick up up one of th...   May 3 2006, 08:44 PM
- - hobgoblin   i just wish they would forget about the direct stu...   May 3 2006, 08:51 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ May 3 2006, 02:51 PM) .......   May 3 2006, 08:59 PM
- - hobgoblin   and beyond x number of targets within y area, your...   May 3 2006, 09:05 PM
- - Big D   Personally, I'd like to see all AOE spells wor...   May 3 2006, 09:15 PM
- - hobgoblin   that is exactly how indirect AOE combat spells wor...   May 3 2006, 09:18 PM
- - mfb   you know what i'd do, if i could block out cer...   May 3 2006, 09:20 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE Um, you create the distraction somewhere you...   May 3 2006, 09:21 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Big D) But, at this point, I'm rather c...   May 3 2006, 09:22 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (mfb) you know what i'd do, if i could b...   May 3 2006, 09:22 PM
- - mfb   explain to me how it's not a free pass. use lo...   May 3 2006, 09:23 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE I'm a little frustrated that there are s...   May 3 2006, 09:24 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 03:21 PM)...   May 3 2006, 09:40 PM
- - James McMurray   If you want to assume for simplicity's sake th...   May 3 2006, 09:47 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 03:47 PM)...   May 3 2006, 09:50 PM
- - James McMurray   That's ok, I think you're a moron too.   May 3 2006, 09:52 PM
- - blakkie   The difference being that you've actually mana...   May 3 2006, 09:53 PM
- - James McMurray   If you believe the post of a moron claiming to hav...   May 3 2006, 09:55 PM
- - blakkie   Don't you have better things to do? Like creat...   May 3 2006, 10:04 PM
- - yesman   QUOTE (hobgoblin) that is exactly how indirect AOE...   May 3 2006, 10:11 PM
- - mfb   you guys really, really deserve each other.   May 3 2006, 10:14 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (mfb @ May 3 2006, 04:14 PM) you guys r...   May 3 2006, 10:22 PM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (yesman @ May 4 2006, 12:11 AM) QUOTE (...   May 3 2006, 10:46 PM
- - James McMurray   blakkie, leaving aside the pointless insults (if y...   May 3 2006, 10:51 PM
- - Apathy   Please don't think I'm taking sides here -...   May 4 2006, 12:18 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Well, a caster can always remove hits on a spellca...   May 4 2006, 12:36 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 3 2006, 04:51 PM)...   May 4 2006, 05:01 AM
- - Apathy   While a character is fully capable of turning his ...   May 4 2006, 03:38 PM
- - booklord   QUOTE i think allowing mages to block their LOS wi...   May 4 2006, 04:06 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Apathy @ May 4 2006, 09:38 AM) While a...   May 4 2006, 08:53 PM
- - Shrike30   If we could pass on the discussion of D20 for a bi...   May 4 2006, 09:16 PM
- - Apathy   QUOTE (blakkie) QUOTE (Apathy @ May 4 2006, 0...   May 4 2006, 09:28 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Apathy @ May 4 2006, 03:28 PM) It...   May 4 2006, 09:32 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE See, the --dice-- inconjuction with the char...   May 4 2006, 09:34 PM
- - Shrike30   QUOTE (James McMurray) Re targetting: do you let y...   May 4 2006, 09:45 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 4 2006, 03:34 PM)...   May 4 2006, 09:46 PM
- - Shrike30   Shaaaaaaadoooooowruuuuuuuun....   May 4 2006, 10:03 PM
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- - Dissonance   Well. Here's another thought I had while just...   May 4 2006, 10:07 PM
- - blakkie   *does some quick trig to try figure out if he can ...   May 4 2006, 10:09 PM
- - Shrike30   QUOTE (Dissonance) Cone-shaped magic, a la old-sch...   May 4 2006, 10:10 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Shrike30 @ May 4 2006, 04:10 PM) QUOTE...   May 4 2006, 10:11 PM
- - Dissonance   O SHI WIRE FRAMES AND BATTLEMAPS. Admittedly, I l...   May 4 2006, 10:14 PM
- - blakkie   I still like battlemats for SR, but more for descr...   May 4 2006, 10:28 PM
- - Dissonance   I like the idea of using tape measures, but, hones...   May 4 2006, 10:30 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE Is this question directed at me? If you wa...   May 4 2006, 10:33 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 4 2006, 04:33 PM)...   May 4 2006, 10:45 PM
- - James McMurray   Um... I already know there aren't facing rules...   May 4 2006, 10:57 PM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE If someone isn't looking at you, they do...   May 4 2006, 11:00 PM
- - James McMurray   Can you provide a page reference where it states t...   May 4 2006, 11:10 PM
- - Kanada Ten   The first paragraph of the Spell Casting section, ...   May 4 2006, 11:14 PM
- - James McMurray   I'm 15 miles away from my book. Is it a large ...   May 4 2006, 11:19 PM
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- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 4 2006, 06:53 PM)...   May 5 2006, 03:03 AM
- - James McMurray   The rules do not state how long it takes to target...   May 5 2006, 03:09 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 4 2006, 09:09 PM)...   May 5 2006, 03:12 AM
- - James McMurray   Ah, the old "I'm beaten so I'll toss ...   May 5 2006, 03:30 AM
- - mfb   i rarely get a chance to laugh as hard as i have w...   May 5 2006, 03:37 AM
- - James McMurray   You're welcome.   May 5 2006, 03:42 AM
- - hobgoblin   so, can we say that for simplisitys sake: if you ...   May 5 2006, 03:56 AM
- - James McMurray   Yes, you can say that. Not everyone will agree, bu...   May 5 2006, 03:59 AM
- - Apathy   QUOTE (blakkie @ May 4 2006, 04:32 PM) So bas...   May 5 2006, 05:08 AM
- - hobgoblin   thing is that LOS do not imply that you have to ac...   May 5 2006, 07:41 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   I find myself agreeing with Blakkie MFB I'm s...   May 5 2006, 08:21 AM
- - mfb   there, there, nothing to be afraid of. even a rabi...   May 5 2006, 09:52 AM
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