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JonathanC
post Aug 13 2006, 07:35 AM
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Feel free to answer based on either SR3 or SR4 rules...the situation is somewhat similar in both. Being a troll is expensive, and they seem to be useful only as strong melee combatants, with their reach benefit, extra durability, and greater land speed (the better to close into melee with you). The thing is, SR, like most modern/future RPGs, is really a ranged combat monkey's game. Strength, especially in SR4, is largely useless. But trolls are still kinda cool, and I'd love to crank some up for a game or two. It just seems as though using Trolls for anything but axe-wielding blenders with legs is like fighting yourself. They're expensive to make BP-wise, and their attribute caps in Charisma and Logic make them ineffective as mages, hackers/deckers, riggers, or faces.

Yes, I'm aware there is a Troll combat mage archetype in SR3, but those archetypes aren't really optimized for real-world play, for the most part. I suppose with the new, less logic-centric hacking rules, you could be a decent Troll hacker, but that's a lot of points to pay for physical stats that you'll never use. Are trolls really a one-trick pony?
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- JonathanC   Non-melee monster Trolls   Aug 13 2006, 07:35 AM
- - Dog   QUOTE (JonathanC) ...but those archetypes aren...   Aug 13 2006, 07:59 AM
- - Sahandrian   SR3 in this post - I don't play SR4, and don...   Aug 13 2006, 07:59 AM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE Trolls aren't bad with firearms, either....   Aug 13 2006, 08:13 AM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Dog) QUOTE (JonathanC @ Aug 13 2006, 0...   Aug 13 2006, 08:14 AM
- - Glyph   For SR3: With a troll's Attribute bonuses gea...   Aug 13 2006, 08:43 AM
- - will_rj   i think there is a very thin line between "op...   Aug 13 2006, 08:49 AM
- - hyzmarca   Not at all. A Troll combat mage can kick butt in S...   Aug 13 2006, 08:51 AM
- - will_rj   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Aug 13 2006, 05:51 AM) As ...   Aug 13 2006, 09:01 AM
- - knasser   Now I'm really not much of an optomiser, so be...   Aug 13 2006, 09:05 AM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (hyzmarca) Not at all. A Troll combat mage c...   Aug 13 2006, 10:21 AM
- - knasser   QUOTE (JonathanC) The thing is, for a troll to ha...   Aug 13 2006, 12:14 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Aug 13 2006, 04:13 PM) QUO...   Aug 13 2006, 01:33 PM
- - Lordmalachdrim   Back in the days of 2nd Ed I had a player to ran a...   Aug 13 2006, 03:43 PM
- - Dog   QUOTE (JonathanC) QUOTE (Dog @ Aug 13 2006, 0...   Aug 13 2006, 03:56 PM
- - Snow_Fox   For most weapons a troll survives impact better th...   Aug 13 2006, 03:57 PM
- - Sahandrian   QUOTE (JonathanC) QUOTE Trolls aren't bad with...   Aug 13 2006, 05:40 PM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Dog) QUOTE (JonathanC @ Aug 13 2006, 0...   Aug 13 2006, 07:05 PM
- - Dog   That's cool. My players' characters proba...   Aug 13 2006, 07:14 PM
- - JonathanC   It definitely seems as though Trolls suffered in t...   Aug 13 2006, 07:30 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Dog) That's cool. My players' char...   Aug 14 2006, 03:38 AM
- - Glyph   Also, while troll faces may have some penalties, t...   Aug 14 2006, 07:45 AM
- - mfb   (SR3) trolls make very good melee combatants, and...   Aug 14 2006, 07:47 AM
- - FanGirl   QUOTE (Glyph)The elf may be good at slurping brie ...   Aug 14 2006, 08:23 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   I remember being at this stage in my SR developmen...   Aug 14 2006, 10:45 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (FanGirl) QUOTE (Glyph)The elf may be good a...   Aug 14 2006, 10:50 PM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin) I remember being at this sta...   Aug 14 2006, 11:22 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   I'll take your word for it. I don't reall...   Aug 14 2006, 11:25 PM
- - PoorHobo   Higher BOD also means more bioware. Better for 3r...   Aug 15 2006, 12:23 AM
- - Sahandrian   Higher Body doesn't mean more bioware in 3rd. ...   Aug 15 2006, 02:10 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Sahandrian) Higher Body doesn't mean mo...   Aug 15 2006, 03:08 AM
- - PoorHobo   Does it? damn. Even still 5 body dice and +...   Aug 15 2006, 06:30 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Critias @ Aug 14 2006, 10:08 PM) QUOTE...   Aug 15 2006, 01:07 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   That's hardcore. Using a troll and bioware yo...   Aug 15 2006, 10:58 PM
- - ethinos   In answer to the original post, I think you are ap...   Aug 15 2006, 11:26 PM
- - Sahandrian   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Aug 15 2006, 09:07 AM) QUOT...   Aug 16 2006, 02:11 AM
- - hyzmarca   Darn, I missed that. Well, so much for the BI 28 T...   Aug 16 2006, 02:19 AM
- - Sahandrian   QUOTE (hyzmarca) Darn, I missed that. Well, so muc...   Aug 16 2006, 02:27 AM
- - Glyph   QUOTE (ethinos)In answer to the original post, I t...   Aug 16 2006, 02:53 AM
- - The Stainless Steel Rat   What about a 15+ body, 2 essence, Troll Sorcery Ad...   Aug 16 2006, 08:10 AM
- - Pendaric   Just had a friend roll up a troll archer adept wit...   Aug 18 2006, 05:49 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   I think quite a few of us have done the tweaked ou...   Aug 18 2006, 06:13 PM
- - Pendaric   QUOTE (PBTHHHHT) I think quite a few of us have do...   Aug 18 2006, 06:17 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   Nah, I know what the main point was, but I was doi...   Aug 18 2006, 06:18 PM
- - Pendaric   Fair enough. Twinking is oft harboured hobby of ro...   Aug 18 2006, 06:21 PM
- - JonathanC   I'm actually still curious about what you guys...   Aug 18 2006, 06:39 PM
- - Charon   One of my friend was a big fan of troll. But he h...   Aug 18 2006, 07:01 PM


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