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Slithery D
post Aug 13 2006, 11:17 PM
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Street Magic pretty clearly bans overlapping wards that share the same area and boundaries, so you can't make intruders face group rules as they attack ten Force 5 wards simultaneously. Good. For those without a certain, uh, magnitude of sneakiness, it also pretty clearly bans putting a small cubic ward into a larger one to get the same teamwork effect for ritual sorcery defense, or just efficiency in creating layered defenses. Is this latter point how everyone else sees it? There is some room for fudge if you consider a wards area of intersection to only include its outer boundary, not its interior volume. If it were just the boundary, you could build a nice Russian nesting doll system of wards.

Let's assume worst case. What's the most efficient layered ward blueprint if you have to line them up side by side and want to force anyone to go through two wards to reach something in the middle? My interpretation of the "no overly complex shapes" rule is that a ward can be any convex shape. In a skyscraper that would require at least six wards - three for the sides (most people would probably use four, though, for a rectangular shape), one for the top and bottom, and one in the middle. That's a lot of wards, but I suppose it will still be worth it in a real corporate astral zero zone.

As far as the specialized wards go, I'm glad charged wards provide a reason for taking Reflecting. I still wouldn't do it. And trap wards, like Anchored Foci, provide a reason to take Anchoring and never spend karma actually anchoring a spell. I have the vague feeling some SR3 era specialized wards are missing, but I can't recall what they were.

Incidentally, I really liked how they handled biological astral defenses, i.e. ivy and FAB. You can fight your way through it, but it's visible on the physical plane and they can know to call in the astral troopers from off site. None of the weird metaphysical problems from when some of this stuff was first introduced in the old Corp Sec book. I suspect Guardian Vines or their equivalent were in an SR3 book I don't recall, but kudos if they're new. Haven Lily, is especially nice, although I'm not sure that it isn't counterproductive when it comes to astral security against pure surveillance.
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- Slithery D   Astral security and Street Magic   Aug 13 2006, 11:17 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   QUOTE (Slithery D) There is some room for fudge if...   Aug 13 2006, 11:51 PM
- - Serbitar   Ah, thanks, after reading the section I thought th...   Aug 14 2006, 12:04 AM
- - Demonseed Elite   Here's a helpful way to think about it. When a...   Aug 14 2006, 12:25 AM
- - RunnerPaul   I have a 1 meter by 1 meter floor tile that I want...   Aug 14 2006, 12:49 AM
- - prionic6   QUOTE (Slithery D) Let's assume worst case. Wh...   Aug 23 2006, 12:48 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   QUOTE (RunnerPaul) I have a 1 meter by 1 meter flo...   Aug 23 2006, 01:10 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   QUOTE (prionic6 @ Aug 23 2006, 07:48 AM) If m...   Aug 23 2006, 01:12 PM
- - prionic6   I did the picture in two dimensions to illustrate ...   Aug 23 2006, 01:17 PM
- - LilithTaveril   Nah. You just have really, really hostile spirits ...   Aug 23 2006, 01:18 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   Technically, I think something like that could wor...   Aug 23 2006, 01:20 PM
- - LilithTaveril   Is cyberwear acceptable for a physical anchor? Cou...   Aug 23 2006, 01:28 PM
- - Synner   From a thaumaturgic perspective implanted cyberwar...   Aug 23 2006, 01:33 PM
- - LilithTaveril   Okay. Make it a vest of plastic explosives instead...   Aug 23 2006, 01:37 PM
- - Synner   As long as the vest is fixed in space with relatio...   Aug 23 2006, 02:15 PM
- - LilithTaveril   Well, something simple: Put the salaryman in a cha...   Aug 23 2006, 02:23 PM
- - neoweasel   QUOTE (LilithTaveril)Well, something simple: Put t...   Aug 23 2006, 02:33 PM
- - Jaid   why not just make it a drone? seems a heck of a lo...   Aug 23 2006, 03:13 PM
- - LilithTaveril   QUOTE (neoweasel) QUOTE (LilithTaveril)Well, somet...   Aug 24 2006, 12:21 AM
- - neoweasel   QUOTE (LilithTaveril) QUOTE (neoweasel @ Aug ...   Aug 24 2006, 01:09 AM
- - LilithTaveril   QUOTE (neoweasel @ Aug 23 2006, 08:09 PM) I h...   Aug 24 2006, 01:35 AM
- - neoweasel   QUOTE (LilithTaveril)Doesn't take that many. U...   Aug 24 2006, 02:46 AM
- - LilithTaveril   QUOTE (neoweasel @ Aug 23 2006, 09:46 PM) QUO...   Aug 24 2006, 03:05 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   If I was Soloman Salaryman and my corp OBVIOUSLY w...   Aug 24 2006, 03:14 AM
- - laughingowl   This is sort of the take I put on it. 'layere...   Aug 24 2006, 04:06 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   Wards don't hinder spells cast within them, on...   Aug 24 2006, 04:16 AM
- - laughingowl   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite) QUOTE (prionic6 @ Aug...   Aug 24 2006, 04:54 AM
- - laughingowl   QUOTE (Samaels Ghost) Wards don't hinder spell...   Aug 24 2006, 05:07 AM
- - Demonseed Elite   hoo boy, okay. Wards do not hinder spells cast wi...   Aug 24 2006, 01:03 PM
- - 2bit   I was about to say that too, as fancy as the diagr...   Aug 24 2006, 04:12 PM
- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite) My vote is that wards arra...   Aug 24 2006, 05:41 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   I'm not really sure I have an answer for that,...   Aug 24 2006, 06:17 PM
- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite) Though possibly the projec...   Aug 24 2006, 06:45 PM
- - PlainWhiteSocks   I heard of a house rule that stated if one ward is...   Aug 24 2006, 08:04 PM
- - laughingowl   demonseed Elite: Thanks for the response and it...   Aug 25 2006, 01:27 AM
- - Demonseed Elite   Yeah, keep in mind that on this forum, I'm not...   Aug 25 2006, 12:11 PM
- - Shrike30   The only issue I've got with it being impossib...   Aug 25 2006, 06:15 PM
- - laughingowl   Demonseed: Totally understand the offical/not-off...   Aug 25 2006, 11:42 PM
- - kzt   It was sort of interesting that you can't move...   Aug 27 2006, 07:47 AM
- - prionic6   I would suggest a metamagic that enables you to ma...   Aug 27 2006, 11:07 AM


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