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Masterofthegame
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Okay, I have a problem. I have a troll in my group that has become truly obnoxious, and the last time he played kind of put it over the edge. He's so tough that the group has been sending him into fights alone, and just giving him cover.

Without specifically targeting him with high-force spirits or something I'm not sure how to realistically make him aware that he's not all-powerful. He doesn't even have a huge amount of Karma. 30 or 40 maybe. The problem is that he has a high body and high willpower, coupled with great armor and the group mage counterspelling he's nearly invincible. Follow that up with a quick improved invisibility, and he's nigh-unstoppable.

Add in a combat axe, Ares Alpha, and a Ruger super warhawk, and he's a killing machine. In the last game he got a lucky shot against a Citymaster with his warhawk, stopping it in its tracks, and then killed everyone inside when the troops came out to fight him. His high force invis made him almost impossible to hit, and his armor stopped anything that did hit. Between the mage's counterspells and his willpower, not even the old manabolt works.

He's so convinced that he has the ultimate character build that it has gotten obnoxious. All he ever does is talk about how he constantly saves the team.

So, what do I do? I know there is always the spirit option, and I've used it, which forced the team adept to actually get out and do something, but short of swarming him every time he gets out of the car, nothing seems to scare him.
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- Masterofthegame   Invincible Troll   Aug 26 2006, 04:31 AM
- - yesman   bad guy sammy stick-n-shocks the mage that's c...   Aug 26 2006, 04:37 AM
- - laughingowl   SR3 may be bleeding over to SR4 ... But isn...   Aug 26 2006, 05:07 AM
- - FanGirl   A munchkin, eh? What kind of negative qualities d...   Aug 26 2006, 05:15 AM
- - laughingowl   Also on the 'group mage hands back and counter...   Aug 26 2006, 05:20 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   Don't forget wards and spirits. Spirits may no...   Aug 26 2006, 05:23 AM
- - Liminaut   Smoke. Nothing fancy, just have a drone start dro...   Aug 26 2006, 05:46 AM
- - WhiskeyMac   I had this exact same type of character in my game...   Aug 26 2006, 05:54 AM
- - Cabral   Ideas. First, tactics: Don't have the mage a...   Aug 26 2006, 06:17 AM
- - Charon   He stopped a Citymaster with a Warhawk? Armor 2...   Aug 26 2006, 07:21 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   gamma-scopolamine only paralyzes if the power redu...   Aug 26 2006, 07:55 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   QUOTE (Charon) He stopped a Citymaster with a Warh...   Aug 26 2006, 07:58 AM
- - hobgoblin   hmm, where did that -1 pr reaction test come from?   Aug 26 2006, 08:00 AM
- - Charon   QUOTE (Samaels Ghost) QUOTE (Charon @ Aug 26 ...   Aug 26 2006, 08:01 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   QUOTE hmm, where did that -1 pr reaction test come...   Aug 26 2006, 08:03 AM
- - hobgoblin   ugh, i realy need to go over those modifier tables...   Aug 26 2006, 08:06 AM
- - Charon   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Aug 26 2006, 03:00 AM) hmm...   Aug 26 2006, 08:06 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   QUOTE (Charon) QUOTE (Samaels Ghost @ Aug 26 ...   Aug 26 2006, 08:06 AM
- - Dissonance   I think that SR3's R3R had a thumbnail sized p...   Aug 26 2006, 08:08 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   Like this? http://www.mojojets.com/images/trucks/A...   Aug 26 2006, 08:09 AM
- - Charon   QUOTE (Samaels Ghost @ Aug 26 2006, 03:06 AM)...   Aug 26 2006, 08:12 AM
- - hobgoblin   that last one kinda fits my mental image of it atl...   Aug 26 2006, 08:15 AM
- - Charon   Oh no, it has nothing to do with these SWAT truck ...   Aug 26 2006, 08:19 AM
- - hobgoblin   no problem taking a swat van, putting a turret on ...   Aug 26 2006, 08:33 AM
- - Glyph   Well, at least with his solo act, you don't ha...   Aug 26 2006, 08:46 AM
- - Charon   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Aug 26 2006, 03:33 AM) no ...   Aug 26 2006, 08:48 AM
- - hobgoblin   hmm, yeah. your probably right. heh, kinda funny t...   Aug 26 2006, 08:52 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   Alright, I gotcha. Don't know much about guns ...   Aug 26 2006, 08:53 AM
- - hobgoblin   hmm, found this while digging some more on wikiped...   Aug 26 2006, 08:57 AM
- - Critias   If this scene is what's prompted the "Hel...   Aug 26 2006, 09:21 AM
- - Cabral   QUOTE (Samaels Ghost @ Aug 26 2006, 02:55 AM)...   Aug 26 2006, 10:17 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   Since gamma-scopolamine induces paralysis it follo...   Aug 26 2006, 10:49 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1399/ares...tymas...   Aug 26 2006, 10:51 AM
- - Casper   have him meet his clone with another group giving ...   Aug 26 2006, 11:23 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   It would be nice to have actual data instead of va...   Aug 26 2006, 11:32 AM
- - Firewall   When the shooting starts, the building goes on hig...   Aug 26 2006, 12:14 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (Masterofthegame @ Aug 25 2006, 11:31 P...   Aug 26 2006, 12:29 PM
- - Firewall   If he took out a Citymaster, Lonestar will have hi...   Aug 26 2006, 12:39 PM
- - lorechaser   Yeah, I think we really need to see his stats. To...   Aug 26 2006, 02:19 PM
- - Butterblume   What the german police use today, the Sonderwagen ...   Aug 26 2006, 03:01 PM
- - Charon   QUOTE (Brahm) The last point is why are you so con...   Aug 26 2006, 04:27 PM
- - Serbitar   Ultrasound? Cheap! And if I was the security ...   Aug 26 2006, 04:55 PM
- - Charon   QUOTE (Serbitar) Ultrasound? Cheap! And if I ...   Aug 26 2006, 05:06 PM
- - Clyde   How tough are your goons? What stats? Any cyber ...   Aug 26 2006, 05:35 PM
- - Cabral   Okay a warhawk has a DV of 6 and AP -2 lets add EX...   Aug 26 2006, 05:57 PM
- - Charon   QUOTE (Cabral @ Aug 26 2006, 12:57 PM) Okay a...   Aug 26 2006, 06:02 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (Cabral @ Aug 26 2006, 12:57 PM) Okay a...   Aug 26 2006, 06:04 PM
- - Charon   QUOTE (Cabral @ Aug 26 2006, 12:57 PM) With a...   Aug 26 2006, 06:09 PM
- - Cabral   I apparently need to get the errata, my book (1st ...   Aug 26 2006, 06:26 PM
- - Charon   QUOTE (Cabral) (Edit: Also, not that I'm not t...   Aug 26 2006, 06:29 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Charon)QUOTE (p.158)If an attack's unmo...   Aug 26 2006, 06:32 PM
- - James McMurray   Invisibility won't hide a muzzle flash from th...   Aug 26 2006, 06:55 PM
- - Butterblume   Supressive fire isn't bad against an invisible...   Aug 26 2006, 07:14 PM
- - hobgoblin   edit: never mind...   Aug 26 2006, 07:45 PM
- - Cabral   Hmm. I hope Arsenal, or whatever updates one of m...   Aug 26 2006, 08:45 PM
- - hobgoblin   hmm, sounds like the trapper, a marvel villain...   Aug 26 2006, 08:56 PM
- - Aaron   QUOTE (Cabral) I apparently need to get the errata...   Aug 26 2006, 09:36 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (Charon @ Aug 26 2006, 11:27 AM) QUOTE ...   Aug 26 2006, 10:41 PM
- - Sammiel   yeah, if you have powergaming players, than powerg...   Aug 26 2006, 11:00 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Bah, kill'em all - use Doom, Ebola+ and 7seven...   Aug 26 2006, 11:15 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   You could try putting challenges in front of them ...   Aug 27 2006, 12:01 AM
- - Ravor   Although I'm starting to get a funny vibe that...   Aug 27 2006, 03:40 AM
- - kzt   How about 4 Steel Lynx, with suppressed smartlinke...   Aug 27 2006, 06:58 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   i would use a varient of thesteeel wall defense, l...   Aug 27 2006, 07:11 AM
- - ZenOgre   In all this discussion, I note the lack of a resp...   Aug 27 2006, 11:52 AM
- - Thanee   Expert Gunman + Ares Alpha + Ultrasound + APDS + F...   Aug 27 2006, 12:17 PM
- - Sammiel   Expensive Ammo and Bigger Guns are the last resort...   Aug 27 2006, 03:34 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (Sammiel) Expensive Ammo and Bigger Guns are...   Aug 27 2006, 04:04 PM
- - Brahm   <double post deleted>   Aug 27 2006, 06:00 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (Ravor @ Aug 26 2006, 10:40 PM) Althoug...   Aug 27 2006, 06:01 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Knasser is absolutely correct. In my opinion, trol...   Aug 27 2006, 06:08 PM
- - Lazerface   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) They don't fit in most c...   Aug 27 2006, 06:11 PM
- - James McMurray   The first post being meant as a troll or not doesn...   Aug 27 2006, 06:11 PM
- - Thanee   QUOTE (Lazerface) Which would explain the running ...   Aug 27 2006, 06:16 PM
- - Samoth   I don't see the problem. If he's effectiv...   Aug 27 2006, 07:07 PM
- - Teulisch   I see two problems here. first, the GM is having a...   Aug 27 2006, 07:22 PM
- - ShadowDragon   Sounds to me like all you need are some well place...   Aug 27 2006, 09:11 PM
- - warrior_allanon   i got 4 little words for you Sniper and Panther...   Aug 27 2006, 11:14 PM
- - Firewall   QUOTE (warrior_allanon) i got 4 little words for y...   Aug 28 2006, 12:10 AM
- - Dissonance   In that it's not just possible, but incredibly...   Aug 28 2006, 01:24 AM
- - fool   you could always have a hacker make his life a ilv...   Aug 28 2006, 02:16 AM
- - Glyph   (Edit: this is referring to the Panther cannon sni...   Aug 28 2006, 02:20 AM
- - lorechaser   Glyph beat me to it. If the GM geeks the troll wi...   Aug 28 2006, 02:47 AM
- - Zen Shooter01   I agree with Glyph about that arbitrary killing th...   Aug 28 2006, 02:48 AM
- - 7.62   Well I don't have access to my rule book right...   Aug 28 2006, 05:36 AM
- - cx2   All this aside it is reasonable that if they do re...   Aug 28 2006, 03:11 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (lorechaser) If the GM geeks the troll with ...   Aug 28 2006, 08:58 PM
- - Thanee   Especially, if said troll runs amok in the streets...   Aug 28 2006, 08:59 PM
- - Geekkake   If the troll is causing such enormous headaches fo...   Aug 28 2006, 09:07 PM
- - Butterblume   Just killing the troll because he's resilient ...   Aug 28 2006, 09:45 PM
- - Geekkake   QUOTE (Butterblume) Just killing the troll because...   Aug 28 2006, 10:00 PM
- - Butterblume   I never said hurting the troll badly because he im...   Aug 28 2006, 10:03 PM
- - Casazil   First off let me say no I did npt read the whole t...   Aug 28 2006, 10:30 PM
- - hobgoblin   in the end this is what the notoriety and so on wa...   Aug 28 2006, 10:51 PM
- - Firewall   QUOTE (Casazil) On the other hand he is not protec...   Aug 28 2006, 11:10 PM
- - Shrike30   QUOTE (Firewall) You know, sniping with a panther ...   Aug 28 2006, 11:23 PM
- - Lagomorph   I think just about every thing has already been su...   Aug 29 2006, 01:00 AM
- - Masterofthegame   QUOTE (Charon @ Aug 26 2006, 07:21 AM) He sto...   Aug 29 2006, 06:22 AM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (Masterofthegame @ Aug 29 2006, 01:22 A...   Aug 29 2006, 06:59 AM
- - Masterofthegame   QUOTE (Samaels Ghost) QUOTE hmm, where did that -1...   Aug 29 2006, 07:07 AM
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