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One of my players raised an issue about whether the -#TN benefit from an Enhance Aim spell works with dual wielding guns.

I know SLs,scopes,lazers and other gunmods dont help when dual wielding and u get ur +2 TN for dual wielding plus damages plus vision mods..

But what if a mage cast a lvl 6 Enhance Aim with 6 successes riding behind it..so thats -3TN to the guy with dual guns.

Does that -3TN apply to:

A. Both attack tests (-3TN per gun)
B.1. Only the first or the second (shooter choses)
B.2. Only the first or the second (caster choses)
C. Shooter choses to split the -3 inot maybe -2 and -1 or such?

the spell isnt quite specific on this matter, so ... please help.
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- Fonitrus   Enhanced Aim + Dual Wielding Guns   Oct 21 2003, 05:31 AM
- - Kanada Ten   I though it said every ranged attack... Ouch: That...   Oct 21 2003, 05:52 AM
- - FlakJacket   Yeah, I'd say since it was a spell that's ...   Oct 21 2003, 05:55 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (FlakJacket) Plus, just remember that as a s...   Oct 21 2003, 06:15 AM
- - Zazen   Note also that this spell is resisted by the peopl...   Oct 21 2003, 06:26 AM
- - El_Machinae   Wha-? Why?   Oct 21 2003, 07:19 AM
- - mfb   it's a detection spell. detection spells are r...   Oct 21 2003, 07:26 AM
- - El_Machinae   Crikey, you learn something new every day. We...   Oct 21 2003, 07:37 AM
- - FlakJacket   QUOTE (El_Machinae)Crikey, you learn something new...   Oct 21 2003, 10:12 AM
- - El_Machinae   Yes, yes I did. But you seem to be implying more ...   Oct 21 2003, 11:14 AM
- - Reaver   Crikey was something Penfold always said to Danger...   Oct 21 2003, 02:26 PM
- - Sphynx   Yeah, the Enhance Aim is very weak unless you have...   Oct 21 2003, 02:54 PM
- - Cochise   Interesting considering tha fact that the maximum ...   Oct 21 2003, 03:10 PM
- - Sphynx   Sheeze... forgot we House ruled that one to a max ...   Oct 21 2003, 04:22 PM
- - Cain   I wouldn't call it munchkin; but if he tried i...   Oct 21 2003, 05:28 PM
- - BitBasher   I was just typing that cain.   Oct 21 2003, 05:40 PM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (Sphynx)Sheeze... forgot we House ruled that...   Oct 21 2003, 05:52 PM
- - Sphynx   Not a Force 7 cause he uses Laser Sights. The +...   Oct 21 2003, 05:59 PM
- - ialdabaoth   Heh. He Used Centering, of course, right?   Oct 21 2003, 07:07 PM
- - Sphynx   Center against what? Centering reduces penalties,...   Oct 21 2003, 07:36 PM
- - ialdabaoth   You can also Center for extra successes, I believe...   Oct 21 2003, 07:40 PM
- - Sphynx   Ah, good point, but I don't think he did. Cen...   Oct 21 2003, 08:32 PM
- - ialdabaoth   I'd definitely allow centering with art, even ...   Oct 21 2003, 08:58 PM
- - OurTeam   QUOTE (Cochise)3 re-rolls need a karma pool of at ...   Oct 21 2003, 09:14 PM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (OurTeam) For rerolls our team uses 1+2+3 = ...   Oct 21 2003, 09:35 PM
- - Wireknight   I ruled that Enhanced Aim doesn't need to be r...   Oct 21 2003, 10:16 PM
- - Kanada Ten   I just roll once for the masses, and once again fo...   Oct 21 2003, 10:51 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Sphynx) The +2 is for repeating failed atte...   Oct 21 2003, 10:55 PM
- - Lilt   Except that you only ever need to bother if you sh...   Oct 21 2003, 10:56 PM
- - BitBasher   Or Cain, make em pay karma during the casting befo...   Oct 21 2003, 11:30 PM
- - Sphynx   So Cain, you adding +2 TN to your 2nd Mana Bolt ag...   Oct 22 2003, 06:53 AM
- - Zazen   There's no problem if you don't house rule...   Oct 22 2003, 03:21 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Sphynx) So Cain, you adding +2 TN to your 2...   Oct 23 2003, 02:42 AM
- - BitBasher   Cain is entirely right on the TN thing by canon......   Oct 23 2003, 03:05 AM
- - Sphynx   Ok Cain, I'll pretend for a moment that what y...   Oct 23 2003, 06:57 AM
- - Sphynx   Actually, on retrospect, my apologies to being ins...   Oct 23 2003, 09:18 AM
- - Cain   Well, the +2 is by scene. Really, I apply it anyt...   Oct 23 2003, 07:02 PM
- - Sphynx   As long as we both agree that a 'breather spac...   Oct 23 2003, 07:07 PM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 23 2003, 02:02 PM) Here...   Oct 23 2003, 07:15 PM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (BitBasher)Cain is entirely right on the TN ...   Oct 23 2003, 08:01 PM
- - ialdabaoth   Out of curiosity, what is the "Enhanced Aim...   Oct 23 2003, 08:11 PM
- - Sphynx   Man, I did NOT want to ask that question cause it ...   Oct 23 2003, 08:17 PM
- - Cochise   @ ialdabaoth p. 141 Magic in the Shadows ... A de...   Oct 23 2003, 08:21 PM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE (ialdabaoth) Out of curiosity, what is the ...   Oct 23 2003, 08:21 PM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (Sphynx)(at least now we'll both look du...   Oct 23 2003, 08:24 PM
- - ialdabaoth   Nice. So you could make an orichalcum bow/sustaini...   Oct 23 2003, 08:36 PM
- - Zazen   Even better, an orichalcum penis ring so that writ...   Oct 23 2003, 08:40 PM
- - Siege   Uh oh, I'll head off the inevitable: adept wit...   Oct 23 2003, 08:44 PM
- - Lilt   The focus must be kept in contact with the spell, ...   Oct 23 2003, 09:07 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE I'm curious, do you actually apply a +2 ...   Oct 24 2003, 01:19 AM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 23 2003, 08:19 PM) Consider...   Oct 24 2003, 01:32 AM
- - mfb   well, in that case, the +2 for the manabolt also o...   Oct 24 2003, 01:49 AM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE When that happens in your game, is the +2 mo...   Oct 24 2003, 01:54 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Zazen) QUOTE (Cain @ Oct 23 2003, 08:1...   Oct 24 2003, 06:12 AM
- - Zazen   It seems to me that you've never actually impl...   Oct 24 2003, 07:04 AM
- - Sphynx   So.... did anyone find this reference in the books...   Oct 24 2003, 08:55 AM
- - Fortune   It is in the books as a canon rule. No quote thoug...   Oct 24 2003, 10:37 AM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (Fortune) It is in the books as a canon rule...   Oct 24 2003, 10:51 AM
- - TinkerGnome   I scoured the BBB for a mention of a frustration m...   Oct 24 2003, 01:05 PM
- - spotlite   QUOTE (Reaver) Crikey was something Penfold always...   Oct 24 2003, 04:50 PM
- - BitBasher   I admit it's entirely possible that this rule ...   Oct 24 2003, 04:57 PM
- - BitBasher   I admit it's entirely possible that this rule ...   Oct 24 2003, 05:07 PM
- - Shadow   That's a cool way at looking at that rule Cain...   Oct 24 2003, 05:09 PM
- - spotlite   I think tinkergnome is right. the +2 rule still ex...   Oct 24 2003, 05:18 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE However, it's not really likely that you...   Oct 24 2003, 05:21 PM
- - spotlite   QUOTE (BitBasher) QUOTE However, it's not real...   Oct 24 2003, 05:24 PM
- - Cain   And in those cases, the other guy is still likely ...   Oct 24 2003, 05:35 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE Yeah, but then you got smartlinks or zoom vi...   Oct 24 2003, 09:04 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Cochise) Then may I request with due respec...   Oct 25 2003, 12:49 AM
- - Shadow   QUOTE (BitBasher) QUOTE Yeah, but then you got sma...   Oct 25 2003, 01:01 AM
- - BitBasher   Yes I know, I wasn't arguing, just reiterating...   Oct 25 2003, 04:06 AM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (Fortune) Sure, but you'll probably be w...   Oct 25 2003, 07:14 PM
- - spotlite   QUOTE (Shadow) QUOTE (BitBasher @ Oct 24 2003...   Oct 25 2003, 11:40 PM
- - spotlite   Also, with regard the idea of a F10 enhance aim sp...   Oct 25 2003, 11:46 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE Runner has smartlink 2, and is for the sake ...   Oct 26 2003, 02:13 AM
- - Siege   Idle question Bit -- do you use the 3rd edition In...   Oct 26 2003, 03:52 AM
- - BitBasher   3rd edition initiative pass system since a little ...   Oct 26 2003, 05:06 AM
- - spotlite   You're absolutely right. I had read it wrong...   Oct 26 2003, 11:35 AM
- - BitBasher   You don't round anywhere by canon rules, 7...   Oct 26 2003, 05:40 PM


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