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post Oct 16 2006, 01:58 PM
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I don't seem to see any posts complaining about magic so I though I would test the waters?

Me and my friends are very new to the system. We've played a TON of (the old) White-wolf world of darkness. We've played billions of years worth of d20. We've somehow been smitten by the shadowrun world (zomg so cool)

Anyways - we've not had very much magic vs magic interaction (read: zero). We've only really had 2 combative confrontations so far. 1) We've had magic used against us with no mage on our side. 2) We've had magic with our group, with no mage on the other side.

Both situations have raised some questions against a very particular type of spell:

Direct Damage. Manabolt (I guess powerbolt too..)

I said I would poll the audience. So lets look at the starting character potential.

6 magic + 5 sorcery + 2 specialty combat magic + 3 combat spellcasting focus +2 mentor spirit.

18 dice = 6 hits on average.

Average Defence = Willpower 3 = 1 hit on resist.

Total Damage Value:

Force 6 = 11 Boxes of Physical (Straight to the damage track). 3 stun drain - should be all resist by 10 dice of Willpower + logic lets say.
Force 12 (overcasting) = 17 Boxes of Physical (Straight to the damage track). 6 physical drain - half resisted.
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So ... on over-cast - you've just one shot the local troll-phatty-muscle-superman.

What are people's opinions on the whole direct-damage all or nothing resist spells? Are our experiences skewed? Are we missing something? Is this just normal/acceptable?
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- Nerhesi   Is Magic overpowered or am I imagining things?   Oct 16 2006, 01:58 PM
- - DireRadiant   No posts complaining about magic? Wow.... Overcas...   Oct 16 2006, 02:05 PM
- - Nerhesi   I know it states stun damage (any source) can NOT ...   Oct 16 2006, 02:15 PM
- - Eleazar   A street samurai can do the same thing with a sing...   Oct 16 2006, 02:20 PM
- - The Jopp   One should also rememeber that just because you AL...   Oct 16 2006, 02:22 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Nerhesi) I know it states stun damage (any ...   Oct 16 2006, 02:28 PM
- - Nerhesi   QUOTE (DireRadiant) QUOTE (Nerhesi @ Oct 16 2...   Oct 16 2006, 02:40 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Eleazar)A street samurai can do the same th...   Oct 16 2006, 02:59 PM
- - Nerhesi   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) QUOTE (Eleazar)A street samurai ...   Oct 16 2006, 03:13 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   QUOTE We've somehow been smitten by the shadow...   Oct 16 2006, 03:18 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE First of all, Magic can duplicate anything t...   Oct 16 2006, 04:25 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   QUOTE (James McMurray)LOL! Yes, theoretically ...   Oct 16 2006, 04:34 PM
- - Thanee   QUOTE (DireRadiant) Street Magic has in one of it...   Oct 16 2006, 04:40 PM
- - Thanee   On Topic: I think magic is fine in general. It...   Oct 16 2006, 04:44 PM
- - Jack Kain   QUOTE (Thanee) QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Oct 16 20...   Oct 16 2006, 04:45 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   QUOTE (Thanee) What I do consider overpowered is o...   Oct 16 2006, 05:01 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits)Which is why words like B...   Oct 16 2006, 05:03 PM
- - mfb   /cast control thoughts you're imagining thing...   Oct 16 2006, 05:14 PM
- - Jack Kain   What happends when you use stunbolt on a target us...   Oct 16 2006, 05:16 PM
- - James McMurray   They take the damage and ignore the penalties.   Oct 16 2006, 05:19 PM
- - lorechaser   It's a given rule of life in SR that you requi...   Oct 16 2006, 05:21 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   QUOTE (James McMurray)Actually it's the close ...   Oct 16 2006, 05:26 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...15 BPs in High Pain Tolerance = no wound modifi...   Oct 16 2006, 05:38 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   That is a pretty good investment. Definitely agre...   Oct 16 2006, 05:45 PM
- - Lagomorph   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits) slippers made out of bab...   Oct 16 2006, 05:50 PM
- - Dale   I wouldn't say magic in Shadowrun is overpower...   Oct 16 2006, 05:51 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Nerhesi) I know it states stun damage (any ...   Oct 16 2006, 06:11 PM
- - mfb   are you sure they're healing damage, rather th...   Oct 16 2006, 06:40 PM
- - Thanee   Well, you can heal stun damage, anyways, using Fir...   Oct 16 2006, 06:43 PM
- - Thanee   QUOTE (Jack Kain) It does however state that damag...   Oct 16 2006, 06:43 PM
- - Thanee   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits) You got a link to that t...   Oct 16 2006, 06:44 PM
- - Cyberon   I must both agree and disagree with the overpower ...   Oct 16 2006, 06:50 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Your example is broken. It should be 1st simple ...   Oct 16 2006, 07:13 PM
- - Thanee   And that's just a heavy pistol (don't thos...   Oct 16 2006, 07:24 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   *shrug* my current character doesn't use guns ...   Oct 16 2006, 07:37 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (Thanee)QUOTE (Jack Kain @ Oct 16 2006,...   Oct 16 2006, 07:41 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits) Without spending that 15...   Oct 16 2006, 08:15 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   I don't know. Above and beyond raw damage, I ...   Oct 16 2006, 08:17 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Glayvin34) Oh, and if you think the magic i...   Oct 16 2006, 08:18 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (James McMurray) We played the first few cha...   Oct 16 2006, 08:30 PM
- - Gargs454   I think the biggest issue that people have with ma...   Oct 16 2006, 08:35 PM
- - Aaron   QUOTE (Cyberon) Result Street Sam wins. Offcourse ...   Oct 16 2006, 09:22 PM
- - Cyberon   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable) Your example is broken...   Oct 16 2006, 09:34 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   I don't know. From my personal standpoint, it...   Oct 16 2006, 09:59 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Que? Explosive rounds? No, you were comparing th...   Oct 16 2006, 10:04 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits) But why play a mundane? ...   Oct 16 2006, 10:08 PM
- - lorechaser   I had a number of individual responses. They boil...   Oct 16 2006, 10:08 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits)I don't know.  F...   Oct 16 2006, 10:12 PM
- - Cyberon   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable) Que? Explosive rounds...   Oct 16 2006, 10:42 PM
- - Mistwalker   QUOTE (Glayvin34) "Normally Drain cannot be h...   Oct 16 2006, 10:55 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Mistwalker @ Oct 17 2006, 08:55 AM) I ...   Oct 16 2006, 11:11 PM
- - Mistwalker   Well, if it says that "normally" drain c...   Oct 16 2006, 11:14 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Mistwalker) Well, if it says that "nor...   Oct 16 2006, 11:16 PM
- - Ranneko   QUOTE (Mistwalker) QUOTE (Glayvin34 @ Oct 16 ...   Oct 16 2006, 11:17 PM
- - Mistwalker   I must admit that I have missed the posts from the...   Oct 16 2006, 11:26 PM
- - Ranneko   It's healable, just not by magic. Evidentally ...   Oct 16 2006, 11:45 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (Mistwalker)I must admit that I have missed ...   Oct 16 2006, 11:56 PM
- - Mistwalker   I am going to be difficult. Synner's comment ...   Oct 17 2006, 12:21 AM
- - Glayvin34   Meh. It's your game. edit: Sounds like a guy...   Oct 17 2006, 12:54 AM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Glayvin34) We had been playing nWoD for a f...   Oct 17 2006, 01:14 AM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Mistwalker) I am going to be difficult. ...   Oct 17 2006, 01:14 AM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (James McMurray)The Old WoD books didn't...   Oct 17 2006, 01:43 AM
- - Aemon   QUOTE I am going to be difficult. Synner's co...   Oct 17 2006, 02:36 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Aemon) QUOTE I am going to be difficult. S...   Oct 17 2006, 03:04 AM
- - Aemon   QUOTE Fixed. Physical drain damage is not always ...   Oct 17 2006, 03:19 AM
- - Steak and Spirits   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) ...nice... 5 bonus karma for ...   Oct 17 2006, 05:12 PM
- - Glayvin34   I know, I know, I know, this goes on forever. Mayb...   Oct 17 2006, 05:22 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits) Samurai: And... a... um...   Oct 17 2006, 05:26 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   No, no. You miss the point of my Satyr. I very m...   Oct 17 2006, 05:28 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Re: Cyberon I got the 6 base damage from plugging...   Oct 17 2006, 05:31 PM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits)Samurai: ...that I can us...   Oct 17 2006, 05:32 PM
- - Ophis   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits) Of course! Next to ...   Oct 17 2006, 05:45 PM
- - mfb   i see this same argument in 3rd ed--the whole ...   Oct 17 2006, 05:48 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   QUOTE Samurai: Guess there's an advantage to h...   Oct 17 2006, 05:54 PM
- - eidolon   My point was more that the system has balances for...   Oct 17 2006, 05:59 PM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE Samurai: Guess there's an advantage to h...   Oct 17 2006, 06:01 PM
- - mfb   three counterwords: karma and money !!   Oct 17 2006, 06:03 PM
- - lorechaser   No one is saying that you don't need mages. ...   Oct 17 2006, 06:04 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   Heh. Did you point him towards this thread?   Oct 17 2006, 06:06 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE the world don't move to the beat of just...   Oct 17 2006, 06:14 PM
- - Thanee   QUOTE (Glayvin34) QUOTE (Thanee)Could you tell me ...   Oct 17 2006, 07:04 PM
- - Aemon   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits @ Oct 17 2006, 12:28...   Oct 17 2006, 07:27 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Thanee) I was speaking of this quote, which...   Oct 17 2006, 07:34 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (Thanee)Thanks for that! While definite...   Oct 17 2006, 07:37 PM
- - Big D   How much does it cost to get *somebody else* to dr...   Oct 17 2006, 08:02 PM
- - emo samurai   The way I see it is that, outside of destroying sp...   Oct 17 2006, 08:02 PM
- - Mistwalker   Since we are back on the subject of healing physic...   Oct 17 2006, 08:05 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Mistwalker) Adept trransfers over 6 points ...   Oct 17 2006, 08:26 PM
- - Eleazar   Mistwalker I would agree that physical drain can b...   Oct 17 2006, 08:30 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) QUOTE (Mistwalker @ Oct 17 ...   Oct 17 2006, 08:31 PM
- - Eleazar   By transferring the damage you are not healing it....   Oct 17 2006, 08:37 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (Eleazar @ Oct 17 2006, 03:37 PM) By tr...   Oct 17 2006, 08:42 PM
- - Aemon   QUOTE (Eleazar @ Oct 17 2006, 03:37 PM) By tr...   Oct 17 2006, 09:15 PM
- - Mistwalker   I will take another stab at this. p167, Drain QUO...   Oct 17 2006, 09:35 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Mistwalker) p31 SM QUOTE "Normally Dra...   Oct 17 2006, 09:47 PM
- - Eleazar   Not only that, people are taking Synner's post...   Oct 17 2006, 09:58 PM
- - Mistwalker   It could be argued either way. The post above Syn...   Oct 17 2006, 10:39 PM
- - Big D   ... Until they come up with a new way to remove da...   Oct 17 2006, 10:50 PM
- - Mistwalker   Probably, but you will notice that my sentence was...   Oct 17 2006, 11:09 PM
- - Serbitar   QUOTE (Aaron @ Oct 16 2006, 04:22 PM) The st...   Oct 17 2006, 11:23 PM
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