 SR4 Matrix Dicepool Rules ReWrite, How can one get this done? |
 Dec 9 2006, 12:53 AM
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How would someone go about trying to get the Matrix dicepool rules rewritten to fall in line with all the other dicepool rules for the game? Dicepool for Matrix = Skill + Program Dicepool for everything else = Attribute + Skill This makes no sense and also breaks other rules, like how to default, for example. There have been many suggestions for changing it to a Attribute+Skill (number of hits limited by program rating + 1 [to allow defaulting due to lack of program]) just like how magic works... why wasnt this done in the first place? Just to be 'different'? I'd rather have a ruleset that made sense and flowed with the rest of the book than just different for just the sake of being different... So I ask yet again, How would someone or a group of someones go about getting the core rulebook on Matrix actions rewriten? |
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Konsaki SR4 Matrix Dicepool Rules ReWrite Dec 9 2006, 12:53 AM
Lovesmasher Well, with my 8 logic, I'd certainly have love... Dec 9 2006, 01:00 AM Xenith While its strange that Logic has no bearing on the... Dec 9 2006, 01:06 AM Konsaki If you reread the OP, you will see that programs a... Dec 9 2006, 01:11 AM Kyoto Kid QUOTE (Lovesmasher) Well, with my 8 logic, I'd... Dec 9 2006, 01:17 AM Xenith The "OP"? I must be out of the loop, I... Dec 9 2006, 01:19 AM knasser It looks alright to me. I assume the attribute tha... Dec 9 2006, 01:21 AM Fortune QUOTE (Xenith) The "OP"?
OP stands f... Dec 9 2006, 01:22 AM Xenith I'll throw something out there. (Edit: Now I k... Dec 9 2006, 01:25 AM Jaid actually, the logic + skill, limited by program/CF... Dec 9 2006, 01:32 AM Konsaki Xenith, your fix still doesnt fix the problem that... Dec 9 2006, 01:32 AM Jaid oh, also forgot to mention... normally, the limit ... Dec 9 2006, 01:50 AM Konsaki Ah, forgot that, will edit the OP to reflect. Than... Dec 9 2006, 01:55 AM De Badd Ass In real life, the hacker with skill 6 + program 1 ... Dec 9 2006, 02:23 AM yesman I like the idea of making Logic + Skill rolls for ... Dec 9 2006, 02:37 AM Xenith Again, each program is in actuality a very focused... Dec 9 2006, 02:42 AM knasser QUOTE (De Badd Ass) Slight change of subject. From... Dec 9 2006, 02:45 AM Jaid QUOTE (Xenith) *And TMs are powerful for those who... Dec 9 2006, 03:05 AM Xenith Sorry. I disagree due to experience as a GM. Made ... Dec 9 2006, 03:10 AM Garrowolf There are alot of threads about this. Different pe... Dec 9 2006, 03:51 AM Chandon Making changes like this to a game without unexpec... Dec 9 2006, 07:32 PM Jaid QUOTE (Chandon) Making changes like this to a game... Dec 9 2006, 08:20 PM Konsaki QUOTE (Chandon) - You can no longer get a bunch of... Dec 9 2006, 09:53 PM Jaid QUOTE (Konsaki) TM's can thread on the fly, ba... Dec 9 2006, 10:25 PM Konsaki The max # of CFs you can have a CharGen is Logic*2... Dec 9 2006, 10:38 PM Jaid QUOTE (Konsaki) 1-3 I have no arguments, but one c... Dec 10 2006, 01:10 AM Konsaki Ah, my bad... Sorry. Miss-read what you wrote. Dec 10 2006, 01:12 AM Chandon QUOTE (Jaid @ Dec 9 2006, 03:20 PM) so, sure.... Dec 10 2006, 02:17 AM Jaid seriously, if 7 hits is limiting you that badly, t... Dec 10 2006, 03:39 AM Chandon Jaid -
I think my comments describe my specific i... Dec 10 2006, 04:15 AM Jaid QUOTE (Chandon) ...realize that using the spell sy... Dec 10 2006, 04:50 AM Konsaki This isnt just to help technomancers, this is to r... Dec 10 2006, 04:56 AM Garrowolf Okay I don't like using the program rating as ... Dec 10 2006, 06:54 AM Chandon QUOTE (Garrowolf) A hacker can hack with little or... Dec 10 2006, 08:14 AM Garrowolf Actually I was thinking that maybe the SOTA rules ... Dec 10 2006, 10:11 AM Lovesmasher Well, the that you spend your BP on for resource... Dec 10 2006, 03:03 PM Serbitar QUOTE (Konsaki) Freelancers, Dumpshockers, Admins,... Dec 10 2006, 04:02 PM Xenith More importantly, theres the risk of backdoors and... Dec 10 2006, 04:04 PM Serbitar QUOTE (Jaid @ Dec 9 2006, 10:39 PM) seriously... Dec 10 2006, 04:04 PM Jaid QUOTE (Serbitar) QUOTE (Jaid @ Dec 9 2006, 10... Dec 10 2006, 04:13 PM knasser Also it raises the ceiling for hackers so that the... Dec 10 2006, 06:36 PM yesman QUOTE (Serbitar @ Dec 10 2006, 10:04 AM) QUOT... Dec 10 2006, 07:31 PM Chandon QUOTE (Serbitar) I did the maths a year ago(can ev... Dec 10 2006, 07:38 PM Charon Well, I wouldn't but if you are hellbent on do... Dec 10 2006, 09:13 PM Charon QUOTE (knasser @ Dec 10 2006, 01:36 PM) Also ... Dec 10 2006, 09:22 PM Chandon I've been blatantly ignoring the existence of ... Dec 10 2006, 09:29 PM Charon QUOTE (Chandon @ Dec 10 2006, 04:29 PM) I... Dec 10 2006, 09:58 PM knasser QUOTE (Charon @ Dec 10 2006, 09:22 PM) You... Dec 11 2006, 12:05 AM Serbitar QUOTE (Chandon) Jaid -
I think my comments descri... Dec 11 2006, 12:25 AM Serbitar QUOTE (yesman)
recheck your maths.
I did a qui... Dec 11 2006, 12:26 AM Charon QUOTE (knasser @ Dec 10 2006, 07:05 PM) QUOTE... Dec 11 2006, 12:40 AM Serbitar QUOTE (Chandon) QUOTE (Serbitar @ Dec 10 2006... Dec 11 2006, 12:43 AM knasser QUOTE (Charon)Yep. That's what it means.
No.... Dec 11 2006, 12:48 AM yesman QUOTE (Serbitar @ Dec 10 2006, 06:26 PM) QUOT... Dec 11 2006, 12:54 AM Charon QUOTE (knasser @ Dec 10 2006, 07:48 PM) Takin... Dec 11 2006, 12:58 AM Charon QUOTE (yesman @ Dec 10 2006, 07:54 PM) likewi... Dec 11 2006, 01:07 AM Serbitar QUOTE ("yesman")
likewise you don't ... Dec 11 2006, 01:08 AM yesman @Charon
whoa, last time I checked Nodes do not ge... Dec 11 2006, 01:12 AM Charon QUOTE (yesman @ Dec 10 2006, 08:12 PM) @Charo... Dec 11 2006, 01:15 AM yesman QUOTE (Serbitar @ Dec 10 2006, 07:08 PM) QUOT... Dec 11 2006, 01:17 AM Serbitar This is very related as we are comparing 2 systems... Dec 11 2006, 01:22 AM knasser QUOTE (Charon @ Dec 11 2006, 12:58 AM) But do... Dec 11 2006, 01:28 AM knasser Just to weigh in on the other side of the argument... Dec 11 2006, 01:34 AM yesman @ knasser
i don't think you can get quite tha... Dec 11 2006, 01:37 AM knasser Yeah - I've seen his stat building since I wro... Dec 11 2006, 01:42 AM Serbitar Yes Dec 11 2006, 01:54 AM Charon QUOTE (knasser @ Dec 10 2006, 08:28 PM) QUOTE... Dec 11 2006, 02:25 AM yesman QUOTE (Serbitar) This is very related as we are co... Dec 11 2006, 04:22 AM Jaid well, it started right at the beginning, ultimatel... Dec 11 2006, 04:43 AM Garrowolf What I did was to take the attribute + Skill + Pro... Dec 11 2006, 05:16 AM Serbitar Some idea:
One could introduce a mechanic to all... Dec 11 2006, 09:46 AM Ryu I´d resolve the "edge issue" of the logi... Dec 11 2006, 03:06 PM yesman @Ryu:
If you intend to allow Edge to remove Hit C... Dec 11 2006, 06:07 PM yesman double Dec 11 2006, 06:08 PM Moon-Hawk QUOTE (yesman) If you intend to allow Edge to remo... Dec 11 2006, 07:26 PM Fortune QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) Have I been doing things wrong? ... Dec 11 2006, 07:46 PM Serbitar QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) QUOTE (yesman @ Dec 11 2006... Dec 11 2006, 09:32 PM Moon-Hawk Good. I was pretty sure, but I didn't want to... Dec 11 2006, 09:39 PM Fortune QUOTE (SR4-pg. 171-172)A spell’s Force limits the ... Dec 11 2006, 10:08 PM Chandon Wait a second. You have to track your edge dice an... Dec 11 2006, 10:10 PM Moon-Hawk Hmmm, I see that reading, but I wouldn't do it... Dec 11 2006, 10:13 PM Synner Konsaki was the latest of several people to approa... Dec 11 2006, 10:29 PM Serbitar I have to agree with Synner, that realism is reall... Dec 11 2006, 10:34 PM
Moon-Hawk QUOTE (Serbitar @ Dec 11 2006, 05:34 PM) @Moo... Dec 11 2006, 10:37 PM  |
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