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ShadowDragon
post Jan 9 2007, 06:59 PM
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On the last mission my players took, the PCs were supposed to plant a suitcase full of 7-7 gas inside a corporate building. The Johnson told them that the suitcase had incriminating evidence that Lonestar would find during an upcoming raid. What the Johnson didn't tell them was that the suitcase was full of 7-7 gas and was designed to release enough gas to kill anyone inside of the building after being triggered by a combat spell. Lonestar was never actually intended to find anything but dead employees. Anyway, the PCs got caught sneaking inside the building and were shot up pretty badly. The group mage had the brilliant idea to pull a kamikaze by throwing a force 12 ball lightning in the middle of the combat, which would catch all the security he could see, as well as the team EXCEPT for one PC. Unfortunately the suitcase was being held by one of the PCs caught in the ball lightning so it released the 7-7 gas, killing the PC outside the ball lightning.

Here's the problem - the player of the PC killed by the 7-7 thinks that ball lightning of that magnitude should have rendered the 7-7 gas inert. I said no, but agreed to post here to see everyone's opinion.
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- ShadowDragon   GM/player dispute during a mission   Jan 9 2007, 06:59 PM
- - Konsaki   Methinks it's time to roll up some new charact...   Jan 9 2007, 07:02 PM
- - Thane36425   QUOTE (Konsaki) Methinks it's time to roll up ...   Jan 9 2007, 07:07 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   It is generally wise to minimise the "mysteri...   Jan 9 2007, 07:08 PM
- - Ophis   The case was designed to protect the contents usin...   Jan 9 2007, 07:11 PM
- - Serbitar   I would say that fire could have done the job (tho...   Jan 9 2007, 07:18 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Look, it's easy. The lightning killed everyon...   Jan 9 2007, 07:30 PM
- - BishopMcQ   It depends on what the trigger mechanism was for t...   Jan 9 2007, 07:34 PM
- - djinni   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) Okay, so if he permanently reduc...   Jan 9 2007, 07:39 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (djinni) QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Jan 9 2007,...   Jan 9 2007, 07:44 PM
- - deek   It doesn't sound like anyone but the complaini...   Jan 9 2007, 07:53 PM
- - Thanee   So, did the mage kill himself with the spell or wi...   Jan 9 2007, 07:55 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (deek) It doesn't sound like anyone but ...   Jan 9 2007, 08:05 PM
- - Cynic project   QUOTE (ShadowDragon) s full of 7-7 gas and was des...   Jan 9 2007, 08:07 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Note: I have nothing to do with this campaign, I...   Jan 9 2007, 08:15 PM
- - Banaticus   Were you the guy who died, Cynic project?   Jan 9 2007, 08:18 PM
- - Cheops   QUOTE (Banaticus) Were you the guy who died, Cynic...   Jan 9 2007, 08:28 PM
- - Bashfull   Point of clarification: Was the player who compla...   Jan 9 2007, 09:09 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   It was a Lightning Ball. And no, it couldn't ...   Jan 9 2007, 09:14 PM
- - yoippari   I sort of have to ask, if you didn't intend on...   Jan 9 2007, 09:16 PM
- - BishopMcQ   The scenario Moon-Hawk laid out is pretty much wha...   Jan 9 2007, 09:18 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Lightning Ball is instant duration, right? So the...   Jan 9 2007, 10:03 PM
- - Butterblume   On a side note, as player I get pretty suspicious ...   Jan 9 2007, 10:13 PM
- - ShadowDragon   For the curious, the case was to be detonated by r...   Jan 9 2007, 10:52 PM
- - ShadowDragon   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) Lightning Ball is instant du...   Jan 9 2007, 10:55 PM
- - Demerzel   If it was a simple matter of consider it I'd s...   Jan 9 2007, 10:57 PM
- - ShadowDragon   QUOTE (McQuillan) The scenario Moon-Hawk laid out ...   Jan 9 2007, 10:59 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Demerzel) If it was a simple matter of cons...   Jan 9 2007, 11:26 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (djinni @ Jan 9 2007, 02:39 PM)QUOTE (M...   Jan 9 2007, 11:27 PM
- - Banaticus   Ooh, nice segue. Even if he only had one point of...   Jan 9 2007, 11:37 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...had a similar situation with a "plant the ...   Jan 9 2007, 11:58 PM
- - Demerzel   I'd say dropping to 0 edge would definatly com...   Jan 10 2007, 12:03 AM
- - Cynic project   QUOTE (Banaticus) Were you the guy who died, Cynic...   Jan 10 2007, 04:08 AM
- - Cynic project   QUOTE (Cheops) QUOTE (Banaticus @ Jan 9 2007,...   Jan 10 2007, 04:11 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) Enter...Death Blossom. Your ...   Jan 10 2007, 04:33 AM
- - BishopMcQ   Pulling out the 80s movie trivia...I generally get...   Jan 10 2007, 06:27 AM
- - ShadowDragon   QUOTE (Cynic project @ Jan 9 2007, 11:11 PM) ...   Jan 10 2007, 08:42 AM
- - SinN   QUOTE (ShadowDragon) Here's the problem - the ...   Jan 10 2007, 08:42 AM
- - SinN   QUOTE (SinN) In your situation, he should argue. I...   Jan 10 2007, 08:43 AM
- - Kesslan   QUOTE (ShadowDragon) QUOTE (Cynic project @ J...   Jan 10 2007, 09:32 AM
- - ornot   When I first read about this spell triggered bomb ...   Jan 10 2007, 10:11 AM
- - ElFenrir   A Force 12 ball lightning is a doozy. Well, like ...   Jan 10 2007, 02:48 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (ornot) The principle disadvantage of the ma...   Jan 10 2007, 02:53 PM
- - ornot   As far as legwork goes, in this situation it would...   Jan 10 2007, 03:41 PM
- - Cheops   Apart from my opinions on how the team screwed up ...   Jan 10 2007, 04:30 PM
- - Demerzel   Hummn. If the case was warded, and wards cannot n...   Jan 10 2007, 04:41 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jan 9 2007, 11:33 PM) QUOTE...   Jan 10 2007, 05:19 PM
- - BishopMcQ   Demerzel--Do you remember where the rules mentione...   Jan 10 2007, 05:33 PM
- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (McQuillan) Demerzel--Do you remember where ...   Jan 10 2007, 05:37 PM
- - BishopMcQ   Got it. I was referencing SR4 and couldn't fi...   Jan 10 2007, 05:38 PM
- - Demerzel   Heh, glad to be of service.   Jan 10 2007, 05:47 PM
- - BishopMcQ   In reference to the warded bullet discussion, I...   Jan 10 2007, 05:55 PM
- - Demerzel   That rules out a warded briefcase as well.   Jan 10 2007, 06:08 PM
- - BishopMcQ   True, which is why I've been picturing more of...   Jan 10 2007, 06:21 PM
- - ornot   Wouldn't whatever they used as a ritual link h...   Jan 10 2007, 06:35 PM
- - ShadowDragon   I didn't mean a ward as in the type of thing t...   Jan 10 2007, 07:08 PM
- - Konsaki   And as a GM, you can do that. GM - It does this w...   Jan 10 2007, 07:18 PM
- - ShadowDragon   QUOTE (Konsaki) And as a GM, you can do that. GM ...   Jan 10 2007, 07:31 PM
- - Butterblume   QUOTE (Konsaki)GM - It does this when this event h...   Jan 10 2007, 08:10 PM
- - Banaticus   QUOTE (McQuillan) In reference to the warded bulle...   Jan 11 2007, 01:17 AM
- - hyzmarca   Right, but you still end up having a 2000mm pistol...   Jan 11 2007, 01:51 AM
- - Banaticus   What was that about 2000mm pistols?   Jan 11 2007, 04:21 AM
- - Demerzel   QUOTE (Banaticus) That sphere would not have an in...   Jan 11 2007, 05:41 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Banaticus) What was that about 2000mm pisto...   Jan 11 2007, 05:57 AM
- - Cynic project   QUOTE (Kesslan) [QUOTE=ShadowDragon,Jan 10 2007, 0...   Jan 11 2007, 09:07 PM
- - Cynic project   QUOTE (Cheops) Apart from my opinions on how the t...   Jan 11 2007, 09:12 PM
- - Cheops   My point is still valid. It doesn't matter th...   Jan 11 2007, 10:25 PM
- - Ravor   One advantage that a magical trigger via Ritual So...   Jan 12 2007, 12:54 AM
- - Cynic project   Magic trigger are cool. Magical triggers of this n...   Jan 12 2007, 03:32 AM
- - Mistwalker   Hmm, I don't see why they didn't just hav...   Jan 12 2007, 04:56 AM
- - Ravor   You know, I'm not entirely sure I understand w...   Jan 12 2007, 05:28 AM
- - Kesslan   Also keep in mind it's hardly unrealistic. Eve...   Jan 12 2007, 07:49 AM
- - hyzmarca   Actually, you're looking at the statistics the...   Jan 12 2007, 08:05 AM
- - Kesslan   I'm not so sure I agree that their 'doomed...   Jan 12 2007, 08:13 AM
- - ShadowDragon   QUOTE (Mistwalker) Hmm, I don't see why they ...   Jan 12 2007, 09:44 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Kesslan) I'm not so sure I agree that t...   Jan 12 2007, 10:07 AM
- - Garrowolf   hey if the hacker didn't have enough edge to b...   Jan 12 2007, 10:26 AM
- - Kesslan   Hey, thats what samies are best at! Being a me...   Jan 12 2007, 10:33 AM
- - Demerzel   Magically active SINless should be pressganged int...   Jan 12 2007, 04:51 PM
- - Cheops   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jan 12 2007, 10:07 AM) QUOT...   Jan 12 2007, 06:26 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Cheops)how do you format tables in this. CO...   Jan 12 2007, 08:17 PM
- - Cynic project   QUOTE (Cheops) [QUOTE=hyzmarca,Jan 12 2007, 10:07 ...   Jan 12 2007, 11:40 PM
- - Cheops   Let me put it this way. In SR3 mages had to give ...   Jan 13 2007, 12:24 AM
- - Ophis   The problem with cost comparison from SR3 to SR4 f...   Jan 13 2007, 12:50 AM
- - Ravor   Aye, but it sure seems like it costs less even tho...   Jan 13 2007, 02:15 AM
- - Demerzel   So it's true that given enough time any thread...   Jan 13 2007, 05:38 AM
- - Kesslan   QUOTE (Cheops) QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jan 12 2007,...   Jan 13 2007, 08:46 AM
- - Abbandon   Burn Edge- Lightning ball causes a fire. the fir...   Jan 14 2007, 10:08 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   You don't really need to explain a burned Edge...   Jan 14 2007, 10:11 AM
- - Butterblume   You don't need to, but it's cool when you ...   Jan 14 2007, 01:09 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Butterblume) I like Abbandons explanation, ...   Jan 14 2007, 01:13 PM
- - Mistwalker   I will continue with the thread jacking. Military...   Jan 14 2007, 06:51 PM
- - odinson   QUOTE (ShadowDragon) On the last mission my player...   Apr 23 2007, 01:44 AM
- - Athanatos   When spending edge whatever happened to the ...   Apr 23 2007, 08:05 AM
- - Demon_Bob   Ok! Where I can understand the explanation of...   Apr 24 2007, 01:47 AM
- - Shrike30   I'd have exposed the players to a "partia...   Apr 24 2007, 08:25 AM
- - knasser   The magical trigger idea sounds quite elegant once...   Apr 24 2007, 09:57 AM


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