 Do adepts suck right now?, Yes, they do. |
 Jan 22 2007, 08:58 AM
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For example, their Improved Skill power. For .5 power points, they can get +1 to a combat skill of their choice. For .2 (thanks for the correction, yoippari) essence, a samurai can get muscle toner to boost their Agility, making all their combat skills more effective. They both have hard caps no matter what they do, +3 bonus if skills and attributes are maxed. That is not fraggin fair at all.
In my game, the Improved Skill power will give you an auto-hit. One dice out of every roll using that skill will be a success. The power will be limited to skill level. I believe this to be fair. As for Improved Attribute, it will cost .5 PP no matter what. This is stolen from Serbitar. Increased Reflexes will cost 1 PP per level. As for all the gimmick powers from Street Magic, I am making them cost half what they do. 1 PP for living focus? WTF? How do I balance this out? I halve all essence costs. All of them. |
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emo samurai Do adepts suck right now? Jan 22 2007, 08:58 AM
yoippari The extra .3pp (muscle toner is .2) from improve s... Jan 22 2007, 09:05 AM emo samurai But that doesn't change the fact that a pure a... Jan 22 2007, 09:10 AM Grinder An adept has nearly unlimited possibilites, as the... Jan 22 2007, 09:21 AM Serbitar I think the auto hit idea is very interesting, whe... Jan 22 2007, 09:27 AM Thanee Well, Adepts get one thing that Street Sams do not... Jan 22 2007, 09:31 AM Crusher Bob Currently the hacker adept and the social adept ar... Jan 22 2007, 09:33 AM ShadowDragon With those changes, why would I play a street sam?... Jan 22 2007, 09:35 AM Ophis *does the happy dance of not being alone*
Glad to... Jan 22 2007, 09:38 AM Thanee QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Jan 22 2007, 10:33 AM) H... Jan 22 2007, 09:40 AM Xenith Sorry, but from what I've seen as GM, adepts r... Jan 22 2007, 09:43 AM Charon Meh.
So this week it's the physad's turn ... Jan 22 2007, 09:49 AM NightmareX QUOTE (emo samurai) How do I balance this out? I h... Jan 22 2007, 11:01 AM Thanee QUOTE (NightmareX @ Jan 22 2007, 12:01 PM) Ad... Jan 22 2007, 11:46 AM NightmareX QUOTE (Thanee)I would like to see one such Adept (... Jan 22 2007, 12:25 PM ixombie The pure adept is at a disadvantage to the Samurai... Jan 22 2007, 12:39 PM ThreeGee If they suck right now, lord knows what they did i... Jan 22 2007, 12:45 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Serbitar) I think the auto hit idea is very... Jan 22 2007, 12:52 PM Thanee QUOTE (NightmareX) Not much to look at really... ... Jan 22 2007, 03:23 PM Serbitar I personally would like the following changes:
Im... Jan 22 2007, 03:36 PM James McMurray QUOTE (ThreeGee @ Jan 22 2007, 07:45 AM) If t... Jan 22 2007, 03:43 PM Kyoto Kid ...So far I've played two Adepts: KK4.3 and H... Jan 22 2007, 04:04 PM Lantzer This is a silly discussion.
I thought everyone kn... Jan 22 2007, 04:26 PM Moon-Hawk QUOTE (emo samurai) I believe this to be fair.
... Jan 22 2007, 05:03 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) Seriously, you've kept the s... Jan 22 2007, 05:25 PM Xenith *shakes head* Seriously, I have a player with an a... Jan 22 2007, 05:41 PM mfb QUOTE (emo samurai)In my game, the Improved Skill ... Jan 22 2007, 05:53 PM lorechaser QUOTE (NightmareX @ Jan 22 2007, 06:25 AM) No... Jan 22 2007, 06:19 PM emo samurai The thing with autohit is, whatever dice hit can n... Jan 22 2007, 06:29 PM HappyDaze QUOTE (lorechaser)Agility [5 (7)] + Automatics (As... Jan 22 2007, 06:41 PM Serbitar Baseline for SAMs:
Attribute 4-5, Attributeware 3... Jan 22 2007, 06:53 PM lorechaser QUOTE (HappyDaze) QUOTE (lorechaser)Agility [5 (7)... Jan 22 2007, 07:16 PM sunnyside Why hasn't anyone mentioned the healing bit. ... Jan 22 2007, 07:18 PM Moon-Hawk Yes, adepts still have Traceless Walk.
And I thin... Jan 22 2007, 07:24 PM 2bit lol . . . adepts underpowered. I guess you also f... Jan 22 2007, 07:28 PM Thanee Not Force 20 spirits...
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Thanee Jan 22 2007, 09:49 PM Thanee QUOTE (sunnyside) Why hasn't anyone mentioned ... Jan 22 2007, 09:51 PM WhiskeyMac How are Adepts more concealable when every importa... Jan 22 2007, 10:24 PM djinni QUOTE (WhiskeyMac) Wireless just came out about 5 ... Jan 22 2007, 10:31 PM Serbitar QUOTE (WhiskeyMac @ Jan 22 2007, 11:24 PM) I ... Jan 22 2007, 10:54 PM Naysayer With only 1 or 2 in 100 people magically active, I... Jan 22 2007, 11:12 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Serbitar) Adepts start to outpace SAMs only... Jan 22 2007, 11:23 PM Wakshaani QUOTE (lorechaser) Seriously?
10 dice in their to... Jan 23 2007, 01:03 AM Roni QUOTE (Xenith @ Jan 22 2007, 12:41 PM) *shake... Jan 23 2007, 01:16 AM FrankTrollman I think that the idea of charging Adepts extra for... Jan 23 2007, 01:17 AM Roni I don't like the idea of auto-hits...That just... Jan 23 2007, 01:28 AM mfb QUOTE (Roni @ Jan 22 2007, 08:28 PM) I don... Jan 23 2007, 01:34 AM emo samurai Well, there are threshold modifiers for jumping in... Jan 23 2007, 01:35 AM mfb exactly. -1 threshold is, basically, an auto-succe... Jan 23 2007, 01:37 AM toturi There is always an evolution from edition to editi... Jan 23 2007, 01:41 AM JonathanC QUOTE (emo samurai) For example, their Improved Sk... Jan 23 2007, 01:53 AM Roni That's what I was thinking. I never really co... Jan 23 2007, 01:55 AM Glyph Personally, I think some 'ware should be bette... Jan 23 2007, 03:40 AM Crusher Bob Well, here's my contribution teh broken cyber-... Jan 23 2007, 05:59 AM Protector152 this is my 'pure' adept
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... Jan 23 2007, 06:31 AM Fortune QUOTE (Protector152 @ Jan 23 2007, 05:31 PM) ... Jan 23 2007, 06:33 AM Crusher Bob ?!
Weapon foci do not add to magic. Imp abil... Jan 23 2007, 06:42 AM L.D That'd be the rating 6 weapon foci...
But the... Jan 23 2007, 06:42 AM Glyph For one thing, you can only get up to a rating: 2 ... Jan 23 2007, 08:11 AM Crusher Bob There's also 3 maxed stats (REA, AGL, MAG) at ... Jan 23 2007, 08:19 AM hyzmarca The difference between the adept and the Samurai i... Jan 23 2007, 08:24 AM Narse In my opinion adepts have always been kind of brok... Jan 23 2007, 08:40 AM Serbitar It is a myth that in SR4 SAMs have no potential an... Jan 23 2007, 09:14 AM Crusher Bob Shouldn't synaptic-3 alphas be 1.2 essence (1.... Jan 23 2007, 09:32 AM Serbitar QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Jan 23 2007, 10:32 AM) S... Jan 23 2007, 10:13 AM NightmareX QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)Interesting is indeed th... Jan 23 2007, 12:04 PM toturi QUOTE (NightmareX) QUOTE (Thanee)You don't hav... Jan 23 2007, 12:28 PM NightmareX QUOTE (toturi)Untrue. A min-maxed sam is a general... Jan 23 2007, 12:41 PM ElFenrir Im on the boat that says Adepts in other areas wip... Jan 23 2007, 01:51 PM Thanee QUOTE (ElFenrir) ...they are at their most impress... Jan 23 2007, 02:57 PM Thain Of course, the fact is that a cybered character pa... Jan 23 2007, 03:27 PM lorechaser QUOTE (toturi) Adepts are weakened in Combat Skill... Jan 23 2007, 04:18 PM emo samurai The thing is, the bioware costs them 2 magic point... Jan 23 2007, 04:52 PM Thain No. No it isn't.
Bioware Synaptic Booster III... Jan 23 2007, 05:04 PM Cynic project QUOTE (emo samurai) For example, their Improved Sk... Jan 23 2007, 06:19 PM Kil2k I made a Character based on serbitars suggestion [... Jan 23 2007, 09:19 PM Kyoto Kid QUOTE (Crusher Bob)Shouldn't synaptic-3 alphas... Jan 23 2007, 09:39 PM toturi QUOTE (lorechaser) QUOTE (toturi @ Jan 22 200... Jan 24 2007, 01:02 AM Catharz Godfoot A street sam with adept powers is an adept. An ade... Jan 24 2007, 01:26 AM Thain QUOTE (Catharz Godfoot) Note that an adept's e... Jan 24 2007, 01:40 AM JonathanC QUOTE (Serbitar) It is a myth that in SR4 SAMs hav... Jan 24 2007, 02:26 AM toturi My friend, a adept with 333 Karma in SR3, wrecked ... Jan 24 2007, 03:21 AM emo samurai 333 Karma, that's totally worth it. Jan 24 2007, 03:24 AM Kyoto Kid ...I look at it this way.
Using another gam... Jan 24 2007, 03:44 AM Serbitar QUOTE (JonathanC @ Jan 24 2007, 03:26 AM)
I ... Jan 24 2007, 08:07 AM Protector152 bob, your right, i did make a bunch of mistakes on... Jan 24 2007, 09:32 AM Ophis Check the Errata on srrpg.com as the whole imp abi... Jan 24 2007, 10:54 AM Kesslan Indeed what this means is the most you can buy a s... Jan 24 2007, 11:14 AM Kil2k I made a StreetSam to compare my Adept from above ... Jan 24 2007, 11:25 AM Thain 333 Karma, and ¥1,000,000? You are all kidding me,... Jan 24 2007, 12:34 PM Serbitar All I am saying that even THEN an adept is inferio... Jan 24 2007, 01:31 PM Thain An Adept is not inferior to a Samurai (Please, sto... Jan 24 2007, 01:43 PM Serbitar I know what SAM stands for and I like it to write ... Jan 24 2007, 01:50 PM Thain We do not "all know that the social adept is ... Jan 24 2007, 02:27 PM Xenith QUOTE (Serbitar @ Jan 24 2007, 07:31 AM) All ... Jan 24 2007, 03:04 PM Kil2k QUOTE ("Xenith")
Give him Strength boost... Jan 24 2007, 03:19 PM Xenith Improved ABILITY (thrown weapons). 4.0 Magic.
He... Jan 24 2007, 03:31 PM Kyrn Ummm...why? Why and how does it get more "sc... Jan 24 2007, 03:42 PM Xenith Heres the math. Lets assume he does an average of ... Jan 24 2007, 03:47 PM
Serbitar QUOTE (Thain) We do not "all know that the so... Jan 24 2007, 03:48 PM  |
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