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> I read Runner Havens and then read New Seattle, big difference in quality
Eleazar
post Jan 26 2007, 03:52 AM
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I have only read the Seattle part of Runner Havens and I must say it doesn't even compare to the wealth of information given in New Seattle. It is almost as if Runner Havens has expected you to read New Seattle first and then update you on the current goings on in Seattle. Reading New Seattle is just making things "click" more. Realize I am somewhat new to Shadowrun. I just feel one gets a heck of a lot more bang for you buck if you go with New Seattle, if Seattle information is what your in for. You will probably need Runner Havens still because it does assist in letting you know what is going on currently and has some nice tidbits. I haven't read the Hong Kong or other sections yet and am basing my judgment on the Seattle coverage, which is really the only place I play.

The biggest shocker of this is that SR4 is allegedly catered to the new player. I would like to know what their definition of new is. That section on Seattle is just incredibly lacking compared to New Seattle. It makes me wonder why they even did it. It seems like something they just decided to do to throw a bone to people interested in Seattle. Reading New Seattle is clearing up misconception I had about Seattle due to the Runner Havens section. There just isn't enough information to get a full view of the game world there.

Does anyone else feel the same way?
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- Eleazar   I read Runner Havens and then read New Seattle   Jan 26 2007, 03:52 AM
- - JonathanC   Yeah, Runner Havens was kind of disappointing as a...   Jan 26 2007, 03:56 AM
- - cetiah   Yeah, New Seattle is cool and really helped me fle...   Jan 26 2007, 04:26 AM
- - emo samurai   MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA MY FLGS HAS A COPY AND I DON...   Jan 26 2007, 04:26 AM
- - BishopMcQ   Thanks Emo, if you wouldn't mind PMing the inf...   Jan 26 2007, 04:50 AM
- - SL James   QUOTE (emo samurai @ Jan 25 2007, 10:26 PM) M...   Jan 26 2007, 05:03 AM
- - Blade   I always found that SR location books didn't g...   Jan 26 2007, 05:18 AM
- - cetiah   I liked New Seattle because it gave me a map of Se...   Jan 26 2007, 05:22 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   ONe thing Idid like from Runner Havens is that it...   Jan 26 2007, 05:25 AM
- - Blade   Yeah, for sure the maps of New Seattle were useful...   Jan 26 2007, 05:27 AM
- - cetiah   QUOTE (Blade @ Jan 26 2007, 12:27 AM) Yeah, f...   Jan 26 2007, 05:31 AM
- - L.D   Ah... the old Seattle book. Now it had some good m...   Jan 26 2007, 06:27 AM
- - Cheops   I have to agree that SR4 certainly doesn't see...   Jan 26 2007, 07:45 AM
- - Kesslan   Well I think Runner Havens is ment really just to ...   Jan 26 2007, 08:14 AM
- - Mistwalker   I don't think the sales would have been there ...   Jan 26 2007, 08:25 AM
- - Oracle   The first Seattle Sourcebook had a lot more inform...   Jan 26 2007, 09:25 AM
- - Claw   It's hard for me to compare Runner Havens, New...   Jan 26 2007, 12:45 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (SL James @ Jan 26 2007, 07:03 AM) Germ...   Jan 26 2007, 12:53 PM
- - Eleazar   QUOTE (SL James) QUOTE (Eleazar)Reading New Seattl...   Jan 26 2007, 02:50 PM
- - ChicagosFinest   Seattle and new seattle rule over RH. It was like...   Jan 26 2007, 02:58 PM
- - Brahm   Keep in mind that: 1) Seattle is already far and a...   Jan 26 2007, 03:01 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   Well, New Seattle does have a lot more wordcount f...   Jan 26 2007, 03:04 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   QUOTE (Brahm) What I really felt let down by is th...   Jan 26 2007, 03:09 PM
- - eidolon   I think there might be a difference in how people ...   Jan 26 2007, 03:16 PM
- - cetiah   QUOTE (eidolon) The perspective being expressed he...   Jan 26 2007, 04:50 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   QUOTE (cetiah @ Jan 26 2007, 11:50 AM) I foun...   Jan 26 2007, 05:05 PM
- - cetiah   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Jan 26 2007, 12:05 P...   Jan 26 2007, 05:39 PM
- - cetiah   I would really love to see a book that combined th...   Jan 26 2007, 06:10 PM
- - SL James   QUOTE (cetiah) I found the whole listing of restau...   Jan 26 2007, 06:11 PM
- - ChicagosFinest   I thought that detail like that would just add dep...   Jan 26 2007, 07:53 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (cetiah) I agree with this statement in gene...   Jan 26 2007, 10:24 PM
- - Thane36425   This seems to be a fault common in RPGs today. To ...   Jan 27 2007, 12:29 AM
- - ornot   I rather liked Runner Havens. While comparitively ...   Jan 27 2007, 12:53 AM
- - cetiah   QUOTE (Thane36425 @ Jan 26 2007, 07:29 PM) Th...   Jan 27 2007, 01:11 AM
- - cetiah   QUOTE (ornot) My favourite section in RH was the p...   Jan 27 2007, 01:15 AM
- - Cheops   QUOTE (cetiah) QUOTE (ornot @ Jan 26 2007, 07...   Jan 29 2007, 01:25 AM
- - sirdoom   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)Consider yourself lucky ...   Jan 29 2007, 01:45 AM
- - Thane36425   QUOTE (cetiah) It's a tough call for whoever ...   Jan 29 2007, 02:58 AM
- - Ancient History   Small snag: by its agreement with WizKids, Fanpro ...   Jan 29 2007, 03:16 AM
- - Thane36425   QUOTE (Ancient History) Small snag: by its agreeme...   Jan 29 2007, 04:30 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Thane36425) QUOTE (Ancient History @ J...   Jan 29 2007, 05:40 AM
- - cetiah   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) QUOTE (Thane36425 @ Jan...   Jan 29 2007, 05:53 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (sirdoom) QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)Consider...   Jan 29 2007, 07:27 AM
- - Synner   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) QUOTE (Thane36425 @ Jan...   Jan 29 2007, 09:16 AM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) All in all, the german ...   Jan 29 2007, 09:48 AM
- - bait   SR4 seems to be more GM driven then previous editi...   Jan 29 2007, 09:56 AM
- - Sir_Psycho   I wouldn't mind a book based on criminal opera...   Jan 29 2007, 10:09 AM
- - Grinder   Do you know Target: Smuggler Havens and Underworld...   Jan 29 2007, 11:21 AM
- - sirdoom   QUOTE (Grinder)QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Ja...   Jan 29 2007, 02:16 PM
- - Grinder   I know the books, yes. But all the books don't...   Jan 29 2007, 02:21 PM
- - ChicagosFinest   maybe pdf magazine subscriptions are the way to go...   Jan 29 2007, 03:55 PM
- - Ancient History   QUOTE (ChicagosFinest) I mean when was the last ti...   Jan 29 2007, 04:48 PM
- - Grinder   Or read the update in Commando Quarterly?   Jan 29 2007, 05:57 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE As for neighborhood descriptions, can you gi...   Jan 29 2007, 08:45 PM
- - ChicagosFinest   LOL I'm in Chicago the City. We dont have SR ...   Jan 30 2007, 02:48 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   QUOTE (ChicagosFinest) Comando quarterly is good f...   Jan 30 2007, 05:25 PM
- - Cheops   So a submission for Feral Cities for "Vancouv...   Jan 30 2007, 05:27 PM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite) but it's possible that...   Jan 30 2007, 10:37 PM
- - fistandantilus3.0   Depends on the setting. Could be a good thing. I c...   Jan 30 2007, 11:34 PM
- - cristomeyers   I would love to see more on most cities. How much...   Jan 30 2007, 11:37 PM
- - fistandantilus3.0   New Orleans is all in Target:Smuggler Havens. Some...   Jan 31 2007, 12:00 AM
- - Cheops   QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) Depends on the setting. ...   Jan 31 2007, 12:17 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (Cheops) I have spent many a night trying to...   Jan 31 2007, 12:20 AM
- - Cheops   QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) QUOTE (Cheops @ Jan...   Jan 31 2007, 05:42 PM


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