Feb 3 2007, 01:28 AM
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At the moment a hacker can have a large number of agents by just uploading infinite numbers to nodes and giving them orders.
Same goes for corporations, they could just have infinite numbers of agents. Why I dont think it is a problem from the hacker side: Stealth: At least for me, hacking is about stealth. An attack with infinite numbers of agents will instantly be noticed. And the hacking run is essentially over. Thats why I dont think the agent smith attack will be used, especially in very certain situation, here it might even make sense. My problem is the corp version. At the moment I am handwaving it away by invoking "traffic" and "miss alarm" arguments. In my own hacking rules I suggest dice modifiers if a persona/agent is subject to several interactions in the same phase. Be it perception or attacks, making large numbers of agents virtually useless. I handwave this with the following arguments: Attacking and perceptions are active interactions with the persona to get data the persona doesnt really want to send (perception) or to force malevolent code into the persona. Both is easier recognized by the personas "health" and "checking" routines if large quantities of malevolent code is injected. Please post your assessment of the whole Agent Smith problem. What is the problem for you, is it one, and how could one solve it. |
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Serbitar Agent Smith Problem Feb 3 2007, 01:28 AM
BishopMcQ As was discussed here, the Agent Smith problem has... Feb 3 2007, 01:36 AM
Serbitar QUOTE (BishopMcQ) As was discussed here, the Agent... Feb 3 2007, 01:39 AM
BishopMcQ 1: If you can use the matrix as a relay, then plea... Feb 3 2007, 02:01 AM
Serbitar 1: exactly the same way how two cell phones cann t... Feb 3 2007, 02:31 AM
BishopMcQ "no you can order a pack of agents"
The... Feb 3 2007, 02:33 AM
Serbitar That was the comment. You can order multiple agent... Feb 3 2007, 02:35 AM
FrankTrollman Remember that for this problem to be intractable i... Feb 3 2007, 02:38 AM
BishopMcQ I was simply reminding you limitation of the subsc... Feb 3 2007, 02:42 AM
Serbitar You forget the agents you run on your comlink . . ... Feb 3 2007, 02:46 AM
djinni QUOTE (Serbitar) You forget the agents you run on ... Feb 3 2007, 03:01 AM
Glayvin34 The best Matrix security is definitely physical se... Feb 3 2007, 03:27 AM
Spike I would suggest this is obvious: If twelve agents ... Feb 3 2007, 03:27 AM
ShadowDragon8685 A Goon Squad of Agent Smiths would be an effective... Feb 3 2007, 04:16 AM
Thain The perfect solution for the Agent Smith Problem i... Feb 3 2007, 04:23 AM
Glayvin34 And Serbitar mentioned that it's also exclusiv... Feb 3 2007, 04:28 AM
Garrowolf well this was why I was trying to point out in the... Feb 3 2007, 04:39 AM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (Spike) Twelve (thirteen) people all hacking... Feb 3 2007, 05:11 AM
Alex My solution for the Agent Smith problem:
QUOTE (G... Feb 3 2007, 08:43 AM
Thanee Allow only one copy of each Agent to work at a tim... Feb 3 2007, 09:09 AM
mfb QUOTE (Alex) My solution for the Agent Smith probl... Feb 3 2007, 09:10 AM
Synner QUOTE (Serbitar) That was the comment. You can ord... Feb 3 2007, 09:17 AM
mfb yeah, but you can bypass the subscription limit by... Feb 3 2007, 09:23 AM
Trigger I have find it extremely hilarious that this threa... Feb 3 2007, 09:31 AM
Synner Subscribing a commlink to your commlink does not a... Feb 3 2007, 09:42 AM
Garrowolf Yes Irony abounds!
Personally I think that ma... Feb 3 2007, 09:45 AM
cetiah QUOTE (Garrowolf) Agents go from an imbalencing lo... Feb 3 2007, 10:01 AM
Garrowolf cetiah, are you going to put all this up on a web ... Feb 3 2007, 10:07 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Synner) You are assuming you can route batc... Feb 3 2007, 10:11 AM
Synner QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Feb 3 2007, 10:11... Feb 3 2007, 10:50 AM
Ophis QUOTE (Serbitar)
2. thats actually working toward... Feb 3 2007, 11:07 AM
Trigger Extremely expanded bandwith and response, along wi... Feb 3 2007, 11:14 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Synner @ Feb 3 2007, 12:50 PM) QUOTE (... Feb 3 2007, 11:28 AM
Serbitar QUOTE (djinni) QUOTE (Serbitar @ Feb 2 2007, ... Feb 3 2007, 11:44 AM
Serbitar QUOTE (FrankTrollman)
Unfortunately, the way thin... Feb 3 2007, 11:47 AM
Serbitar QUOTE (Synner @ Feb 3 2007, 10:17 AM) QUOTE (... Feb 3 2007, 11:50 AM
kzt QUOTE (Serbitar)
Thats why I think the agent smit... Feb 3 2007, 11:54 AM
Serbitar I personally dont have a problem with this clever ... Feb 3 2007, 11:56 AM
cetiah QUOTE (Garrowolf) cetiah, are you going to put all... Feb 3 2007, 06:00 PM
Synner QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (SR4v3 @ p.... Feb 3 2007, 06:35 PM
Rotbart van Dainig The problem is that this limiter applies to everyt... Feb 3 2007, 06:43 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (Serbitar) I personally dont have a problem ... Feb 3 2007, 06:59 PM
mfb QUOTE (Synner)Thank you. I stand corrected. I had ... Feb 3 2007, 07:35 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (mfb) i like FrankTrollman's idea. two p... Feb 3 2007, 07:57 PM
mfb yeah. i like the rules more than i dislike their f... Feb 3 2007, 08:42 PM
Synner QUOTE (mfb) QUOTE (Synner)Thank you. I stand corre... Feb 3 2007, 09:49 PM
mfb eh. hack jobs that would get you a bullet in the b... Feb 3 2007, 09:55 PM
Rotbart van Dainig For anyone interested in the result of Zombie Wars... Feb 3 2007, 10:04 PM
kzt QUOTE (mfb)
alternatively/in addition, Influence ... Feb 3 2007, 10:08 PM
mfb yeah, i realize the logic is kinda reversed from r... Feb 3 2007, 10:22 PM
Serbitar A Question Frank: Arent you just pushing the probl... Feb 3 2007, 10:42 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (Serbitar) A Question Frank: Arent you just ... Feb 3 2007, 11:02 PM
Garrowolf okay so it seems that people don't like the id... Feb 4 2007, 04:27 AM
Garrowolf QUOTE (cetiah) QUOTE (Garrowolf @ Feb 3 2007,... Feb 4 2007, 04:51 AM
ShadowDragon8685 May I propose a much simpler soloution to the Agen... Feb 4 2007, 07:51 AM
mfb that's indescribably unrealistic, and doesn... Feb 4 2007, 08:42 AM
Garrowolf I still don't understand why we NEED agents an... Feb 4 2007, 09:21 AM
kzt QUOTE (Garrowolf) Basically using more then 1 or 2... Feb 4 2007, 09:54 AM
Garrowolf Then why not create a Denial of Service attack pro... Feb 4 2007, 10:27 AM
Blade My take on the issue (I have an "open" a... Feb 4 2007, 03:29 PM
ShadowDragon8685 My soloution is simple, because it means that Mr. ... Feb 4 2007, 04:25 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) My soloution is simple, b... Feb 4 2007, 07:17 PM
mfb ShadowDragon8685, you have ideas about simplicity ... Feb 4 2007, 10:21 PM
kzt QUOTE (Blade @ Feb 4 2007, 08:29 AM)
1) Atta... Feb 4 2007, 10:49 PM
Rotbart van Dainig Like I said - look up Bluefrog.
Things might bec... Feb 4 2007, 10:54 PM
Blade I know that all DoS attacks can't be prevented... Feb 5 2007, 03:50 AM
Garrowolf which is why I think that we need to keep the syst... Feb 5 2007, 04:38 AM
kzt QUOTE (Garrowolf) Are people afraid to remove them... Feb 5 2007, 05:51 AM
FrankTrollman QUOTE So far I have yet to hear a reason to keep t... Feb 5 2007, 06:13 AM
Garrowolf So the same solution works for both. Make it where... Feb 5 2007, 07:01 AM
kzt QUOTE (Garrowolf) So the same solution works for b... Feb 5 2007, 07:50 AM
Blade I get your point Garrowolf, but what of the IC ? D... Feb 5 2007, 09:00 AM
Garrowolf Treat IC as a local attack. If you leave the site ... Feb 5 2007, 09:08 AM
Garrowolf kzt the Pilot program doesn't leave it's s... Feb 5 2007, 09:16 AM
mfb this strikes me as being non-simple. you basically... Feb 5 2007, 02:45 PM
FrankTrollman It wouldn't even castrate them, or prevent the... Feb 5 2007, 06:16 PM
cetiah QUOTE ("FrankTrollman")It wouldn't e... Feb 5 2007, 06:52 PM
Rotbart van Dainig That's because decks were completly unhackable... Feb 5 2007, 07:04 PM
mfb QUOTE (cetiah)The only reason the agent problem ex... Feb 5 2007, 07:35 PM
cetiah QUOTE (mfb @ Feb 5 2007, 02:35 PM) QUOTE (cet... Feb 5 2007, 08:10 PM
ShadowDragon8685 Is it now?
What if said comlink is about the size... Feb 5 2007, 09:03 PM
cetiah QUOTE
QUOTE (<Cetiah>)And in general I thin... Feb 5 2007, 09:41 PM
mfb yes, you should be using the same rules, because t... Feb 5 2007, 10:06 PM
cetiah QUOTE (mfb @ Feb 5 2007, 05:06 PM) yes, you s... Feb 5 2007, 10:10 PM
mfb no. but if he did, he'd use the same rules as ... Feb 5 2007, 10:18 PM
Blade Is it logical that "big" systems should ... Feb 6 2007, 03:31 AM
Garrowolf mfb WTF? How do you keep on going from a drone can... Feb 6 2007, 04:46 AM
mfb QUOTE (Garrowolf)mfb WTF? How do you keep on going... Feb 6 2007, 06:19 AM
cetiah QUOTE (mfb) QUOTE (Garrowolf)mfb WTF? How do you k... Feb 6 2007, 06:56 AM
Garrowolf mfb I'm not sure if you are missing the crux o... Feb 6 2007, 07:23 AM
mfb QUOTE (Garrowolf)If that actually were the case th... Feb 6 2007, 07:54 AM
Garrowolf see I think I see the problem. You are assuming th... Feb 6 2007, 08:24 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Garrowolf) You can't have a file on a s... Feb 6 2007, 08:45 AM
cetiah QUOTE (Garrowolf) QUOTE (cetiah @ Feb 3 2007,... Feb 6 2007, 09:03 AM
ErrosCallidus QUOTE (FrankTrollman) It involves the rolling of h... Feb 6 2007, 09:43 AM
Serbitar Wouldnt the agent smith problem be solved, if ther... Feb 6 2007, 10:28 AM
cetiah QUOTE (Serbitar) Wouldnt the agent smith problem b... Feb 6 2007, 02:14 PM
mfb Garrowolf, for pete's sake, read what i say. i... Feb 6 2007, 03:27 PM
Blade QUOTE (Serbitar) Wouldnt the agent smith problem b... Feb 6 2007, 03:54 PM
Serbitar No, because this is
a) too restrictive, matrix c... Feb 6 2007, 05:32 PM![]() ![]() |
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