 Ritual magic and astral barriers, Do they matter? |
 Jul 21 2007, 09:01 AM
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An interesting assertion has been made in the Dragon challenge thread:
(emphasis mine) In the example in question, a symbolic link is used, and the target is specifically enclosed within an astral barrier. (I'll not specify more, because details may turn out to be relevant.) Now while I found much in RAW to loosely support the very first sentence where barriers are not explicitly involved -- and much to contradict it where they are involved -- I found nothing to suggest that ritual magic suddenly renders astral barriers irrelevant. Here is what I did find:
The key to ritual magic seems to be that ritual magic requires some form of astral link to the target, be it material or sympathetic or symbolic -- and wards specifically disrupt astral links. The ability to cast a spell ritually does not require access to the metaplanes, only access to the astral -- and mana barriers block the astral. So I throw open the question to the Dumpshock community: are astral barriers and/or a completely surrounding background count relevant to ritual magic? Are different types of astral barriers less relevant than others? |
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Talia Invierno Ritual magic and astral barriers Jul 21 2007, 09:01 AM
odinson In the case of regular ritual casting you do need ... Jul 21 2007, 10:30 AM Buster I thought background counts affected all magic inc... Jul 21 2007, 01:08 PM Doctor Funkenstein [Deleted] Jul 21 2007, 04:10 PM Kyoto Kid For making the link and astral barrier does affect... Jul 21 2007, 06:18 PM Wakshaani Augh, pfft, yeah, if you wanna bring the BOOK into... Jul 21 2007, 06:23 PM FrankTrollman Except that he's bringing a third edition book... Jul 21 2007, 06:35 PM Kyoto Kid ...whoops, my bad Frank. Been running RiS (SRIII)... Jul 21 2007, 06:53 PM mfb i think the answer should be yes. magicians become... Jul 21 2007, 07:12 PM Doctor Funkenstein Regarding defenses:
There are plenty of defenses ... Jul 21 2007, 07:27 PM mfb holy shit, it's the funk! Jul 21 2007, 07:31 PM Fortune He heard I was back, and couldn't resist the c... Jul 21 2007, 07:42 PM FrankTrollman Remember that this particular discussionis being c... Jul 21 2007, 07:53 PM Kyoto Kid ...for Counterspelling to work:
A. A mage needs ... Jul 21 2007, 07:55 PM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) ...for Counterspelling to work: ... Jul 21 2007, 08:01 PM mfb hm. that sucks. i mean, offhand, a ritual kill-tea... Jul 21 2007, 08:05 PM Kyoto Kid ...@FrankTrollman, OK still thinking in SRIII term... Jul 21 2007, 08:36 PM Talia Invierno It may come down to exactly what
QUOTE Ritual spel... Jul 21 2007, 09:07 PM Ancient History Regarding Frank's comments, I should add that ... Jul 21 2007, 09:52 PM Buster QUOTE (Fortune @ Jul 21 2007, 02:42 PM) He he... Jul 21 2007, 10:30 PM odinson QUOTE (Ancient History) In the case of Frank's... Jul 22 2007, 12:04 AM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) ...@FrankTrollman, OK still thin... Jul 22 2007, 12:05 AM Kyoto Kid ...Frank, thanks for the clarifications.
I can ... Jul 22 2007, 12:24 AM Talia Invierno QUOTE (odinson)There is no link from the ritual te... Jul 22 2007, 03:12 AM Particle_Beam Material, sympathetic and symbolic links do link d... Jul 22 2007, 03:17 AM Talia Invierno But if they do link directly to the target, then s... Jul 22 2007, 03:21 AM toturi QUOTE (Fortune) He heard I was back, and couldn... Jul 22 2007, 03:23 AM Particle_Beam QUOTE (Talia Invierno) But if they do link directl... Jul 22 2007, 03:27 AM odinson QUOTE (Talia Invierno) But if they do link directl... Jul 22 2007, 03:38 AM Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (Talia Invierno) But if they do link directl... Jul 22 2007, 03:49 AM Talia Invierno QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)Sorcery requires you to ... Jul 22 2007, 05:43 AM Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (Talia Invierno) Although, even in e3, it wa... Jul 22 2007, 07:24 AM Talia Invierno Three concepts are being blurred here: being able... Jul 22 2007, 03:07 PM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Talia)
But the third: that's the one to... Jul 22 2007, 05:46 PM odinson QUOTE (FrankTrollman)
Since indirect combat spel... Jul 22 2007, 09:56 PM Vaevictis Here's a thought that occurred to me:
1. W... Jul 22 2007, 10:12 PM Aku but, if we do the traveling through space, does th... Jul 22 2007, 10:22 PM Vaevictis Well, clearly we don't see the fireball flying... Jul 22 2007, 10:25 PM Vaevictis And to play devil's advocate to myself:
1. T... Jul 22 2007, 10:38 PM odinson I've gone with the casting travels through spa... Jul 22 2007, 10:42 PM FrankTrollman Over and above the questions of Line of Sight, Fir... Jul 22 2007, 10:43 PM odinson Where in the ritual spellcasting does it say that ... Jul 23 2007, 07:04 AM Tarantula In the part where we're using sympathetic magi... Jul 23 2007, 07:14 AM Talia Invierno We're still stranding on the question of wheth... Jul 23 2007, 09:13 AM Tarantula QUOTE (Talia)We're still stranding on the ques... Jul 23 2007, 09:34 AM Doctor Funkenstein That's the thing I'm having trouble graspi... Jul 23 2007, 09:44 AM Talia Invierno QUOTE (Tarantula)QUOTE (odinson)I've gone with... Jul 23 2007, 10:42 AM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Talia Invierno) We're still stranding o... Jul 23 2007, 03:33 PM Tarantula Talia, I'm curious to why you didn't even ... Jul 23 2007, 04:09 PM Vaevictis QUOTE (FrankTrollman)
Option 2: You ritually cas... Jul 23 2007, 04:28 PM DireRadiant The SR3 concepts of Indirect, Direct, and Physical... Jul 23 2007, 04:30 PM Vaevictis QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jul 23 2007, 11:30 AM) T... Jul 23 2007, 04:36 PM DireRadiant QUOTE (Vaevictis) QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jul 23... Jul 23 2007, 05:02 PM Eleazar QUOTE (Vaevictis) Here's a thought that occurr... Jul 23 2007, 05:54 PM Vaevictis QUOTE (Eleazar) Now, if your stance is that the ma... Jul 23 2007, 06:01 PM Ravor So does that mean that you have ritually cast flam... Jul 23 2007, 06:02 PM Vaevictis QUOTE (Ravor)So does that mean that you have ritua... Jul 23 2007, 06:10 PM FrankTrollman This is time for an important qualifier on this di... Jul 23 2007, 07:20 PM Vaevictis QUOTE (FrankTrollman) So the question is: why woul... Jul 23 2007, 07:29 PM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Vaevictis) QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jul ... Jul 23 2007, 07:34 PM Vaevictis Ah, but the target does get a resistance roll:
1.... Jul 23 2007, 07:39 PM Kyoto Kid QUOTE (toturi)QUOTE (Fortune @ Jul 22 2007, 0... Jul 23 2007, 08:02 PM FrankTrollman Spell Resistance =/= Damage Resistance.
Object R... Jul 23 2007, 08:05 PM Talia Invierno Spell resistance test:
QUOTE Step 5: Determine Eff... Jul 23 2007, 08:30 PM Vaevictis Okay, but see, here's where my confusion comes... Jul 23 2007, 08:37 PM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Vaevictis) Okay, but see, here's where ... Jul 23 2007, 08:43 PM Vaevictis I take it to mean, "Any resistance test that ... Jul 23 2007, 08:45 PM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Vaevictis) I take it to mean, "Any res... Jul 23 2007, 08:58 PM Vaevictis Well, IMO, it's pretty stupid to ignore the cl... Jul 23 2007, 09:02 PM Talia Invierno *laugh* ... I could say something about the value... Jul 23 2007, 09:08 PM Vaevictis For example, let's do something stupid with th... Jul 23 2007, 09:08 PM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Vaevictis) Well, IMO, it's pretty stupi... Jul 23 2007, 09:08 PM Vaevictis *Edit to be less obnoxious*
Indexes are lists of ... Jul 23 2007, 09:11 PM Talia Invierno QUOTE (Tarantula)Talia, I'm curious to why you... Jul 24 2007, 04:32 AM Protector152 What kind of mana barrier are we talking about her... Jul 24 2007, 04:56 AM Tarantula Talia, I completely missed that. I've got som... Jul 24 2007, 09:00 AM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Protector152) What kind of mana barrier are... Jul 24 2007, 04:39 PM Doctor Funkenstein Exactly.
Which is why I used a spell like Lightni... Jul 24 2007, 05:25 PM Eleazar I think the spell most certainly does not travel f... Jul 24 2007, 05:58 PM odinson QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)
Here's the best wa... Jul 24 2007, 07:44 PM Dashifen I've watched you guys debating and something t... Jul 24 2007, 07:46 PM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Dashifen) I've watched you guys debatin... Jul 24 2007, 08:00 PM Talia Invierno You know, no one has yet shown why links can't... Jul 24 2007, 08:09 PM Doctor Funkenstein It's closest to the totally-overlooked-and-dis... Jul 24 2007, 08:21 PM Dashifen I agree, Frank, but it seems like Talia originally... Jul 24 2007, 08:35 PM Talia Invierno QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)It's closest to the ... Jul 24 2007, 09:11 PM Ravor Of course, she's trying to save a certain drag... Jul 24 2007, 09:11 PM Talia Invierno Or, possibly, your ritual team. The dragon alread... Jul 24 2007, 09:15 PM Ravor Not my team, I'm still all for simply blowing ... Jul 24 2007, 09:33 PM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Ravor) Not my team, I'm still all for s... Jul 24 2007, 10:08 PM
Tarantula After some thinking, I've come up with some re... Jul 25 2007, 06:21 AM  |
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