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> Say it ain't so!, Bioware costs Essence?!
Tanegar
post Sep 10 2007, 12:03 AM
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I dropped by the local bookstore today, noticed they had a copy of SR4, and snagged it. Giving the new (well, new to me, anyway) character creation rules a preliminary skim, I noticed this on page 84 under "Cyberware and Bioware:"
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In addition to the nuyen cost, each item of cyberware or bioware also has a secondary cost in Essence.

Bioware now costs Essence? Why? Please tell me this is a misprint.
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- Tanegar   Say it ain't so!   Sep 10 2007, 12:03 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Streamlining. They do cost Essence, but only half...   Sep 10 2007, 12:06 AM
- - MaxHunter   Welcome to Fourth ed! I didn't like that a...   Sep 10 2007, 12:11 AM
- - Tanegar   But why make it cost Essence at all? What was wro...   Sep 10 2007, 12:15 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Not really, only when calculating the Essence impa...   Sep 10 2007, 12:19 AM
- - James McMurray   You can also get your bioware in different grades ...   Sep 10 2007, 12:21 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (James McMurray) Alternatively, you can take...   Sep 10 2007, 12:47 AM
- - Aaron   How is one not less than human when bioware is imp...   Sep 10 2007, 02:25 AM
- - toturi   Can cultured bioware be had at a higher grade than...   Sep 10 2007, 02:52 AM
- - Jaid   where do the bioware rules imply that cultured bio...   Sep 10 2007, 02:54 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (toturi) Can cultured bioware be had at a hi...   Sep 10 2007, 02:58 AM
- - Malachi   I really don't understand why lots of people s...   Sep 10 2007, 03:48 AM
- - Synner   Two things to keep in mind regarding Bioware costi...   Sep 10 2007, 07:55 AM
- - Aristotle   I was a little unsure when I first saw this, but g...   Sep 10 2007, 12:30 PM
- - darthmord   My house rule clarification of cultured bioware......   Sep 10 2007, 02:14 PM
- - Fortune   It might be simple, but it still is, as you say, a...   Sep 10 2007, 03:16 PM
- - Cain   I have to agree: halving the lowest of the two has...   Sep 10 2007, 07:59 PM
- - deek   I can't remember where I read this, but it was...   Sep 10 2007, 08:20 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Malachi)I really don't understand why l...   Sep 10 2007, 08:27 PM
- - Aristotle   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) For example, you could have 3 Es...   Sep 10 2007, 08:54 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...OK Ill give in to that in the case of an even m...   Sep 11 2007, 12:45 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) α, β, Δ Dude! How d...   Sep 11 2007, 02:28 AM
- - darthmord   ALT + XXXX number codes. Can also use the charact...   Sep 11 2007, 11:58 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (darthmord) ALT + XXXX number codes. Can al...   Sep 11 2007, 12:45 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (deek) I can't remember where I read thi...   Sep 11 2007, 02:03 PM
- - Aaron   QUOTE (deek)I can't remember where I read this...   Sep 11 2007, 02:39 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Sep 11 200...   Sep 11 2007, 02:46 PM
- - Lagomorph   I think I'll take the 3rd position and say tha...   Sep 11 2007, 06:30 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) ...well I always keep Word open ...   Sep 11 2007, 08:11 PM
- - Whipstitch   I always thought that the bio and essence indexes ...   Sep 11 2007, 08:27 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Fortune)QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Sep 12 2007...   Sep 11 2007, 08:52 PM
- - Adarael   Hey, Fortune. If you're running Windows, you c...   Sep 11 2007, 08:59 PM
- - Kerris   Firefox 2 has a built-in spellchecker. Use it. ...   Sep 11 2007, 08:59 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Adarael) Hey, Fortune. If you're runnin...   Sep 11 2007, 10:12 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (James McMurray) QUOTE (Adarael @ Sep 1...   Sep 11 2007, 10:42 PM
- - Ted Stewart   This touches on something that has always driven m...   Sep 11 2007, 11:10 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Lagomorph) That being said, I understood S...   Sep 11 2007, 11:20 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ..the other thing is you could have 6 - 9 BI worth...   Sep 11 2007, 11:33 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Cain) BTW, to repeat my question: If you ha...   Sep 12 2007, 12:18 AM
- - Ranneko   QUOTE (Cain) QUOTE (Lagomorph @ Sep 11 2007, ...   Sep 12 2007, 12:18 AM
- - PlatonicPimp   QUOTE (Ted Stewart) This touches on something that...   Sep 12 2007, 12:26 AM
- - BishopMcQ   This is the moment when I would normally look at o...   Sep 12 2007, 01:31 AM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (PlatonicPimp) QUOTE (Ted Stewart @ Sep...   Sep 12 2007, 11:20 AM
- - darthmord   QUOTE (Cain) BTW, to repeat my question: If you ha...   Sep 12 2007, 12:45 PM
- - Synner   Type O quality modifications are factored directly...   Sep 12 2007, 01:48 PM
- - Cain   So, l emme get this straight.... Let's say yo...   Sep 12 2007, 05:11 PM
- - darthmord   As much as I'd like it to, I'd have to say...   Sep 12 2007, 05:23 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Cain) QUOTE So, we're now taking ...   Sep 12 2007, 05:44 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Cain) So, l emme get this straight.... Let...   Sep 12 2007, 06:18 PM
- - James McMurray   Alternatively, just start everyone with 60,000 ess...   Sep 12 2007, 06:28 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Ooh, I like that. I always wanted an essence of 6...   Sep 12 2007, 06:47 PM
- - ThreeGee   Alternatively get a calculator.   Sep 12 2007, 06:52 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk)Ooh, I like that.  I always ...   Sep 12 2007, 08:20 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Alright now, be honest. Who is a big dork and che...   Sep 12 2007, 08:43 PM
- - hobgoblin   sorry, i just had d&d flashbacks and walked aw...   Sep 12 2007, 08:44 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) Alright now, be honest. Who is ...   Sep 12 2007, 09:10 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE Why is 4 decimal points not streamlined? WHo...   Sep 13 2007, 12:27 AM
- - James McMurray   Huh. Silly me. I just do math. Never realized how ...   Sep 13 2007, 01:00 AM
- - hobgoblin   meh, i just round after each halving. sure, its no...   Sep 13 2007, 01:08 AM
- - BishopMcQ   Nowhere in the rules does it state that you must g...   Sep 13 2007, 02:24 AM
- - Cain   Rocket Science, no. Brain Surgery, yes.   Sep 13 2007, 02:52 AM
- - Ranneko   I prefer to think of cybertech as rocket surgery.   Sep 13 2007, 05:47 AM
- - hobgoblin   hmm, rocket powered cybertech anyone?   Sep 13 2007, 12:03 PM
- - James McMurray   Go, go gadget cyberskates!   Sep 13 2007, 02:15 PM
- - Cain   But seriously, folks... QUOTE Nowhere in the rules...   Sep 13 2007, 05:34 PM
- - neko128   QUOTE (Cain) But seriously, folks... QUOTE Nowhere...   Sep 13 2007, 05:45 PM
- - ThreeGee   The words fuck off you dim wanker do spring to min...   Sep 13 2007, 05:46 PM
- - ThreeGee   Thats aimed at Cain   Sep 13 2007, 05:46 PM
- - Aristotle   I don't round. I just cut everything off at tw...   Sep 13 2007, 05:49 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   In SR3 there was a little known rule that stated t...   Sep 13 2007, 05:50 PM
- - neko128   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Especially when it only...   Sep 13 2007, 05:59 PM
- - Aristotle   If folks want to insult one another please do it p...   Sep 13 2007, 06:05 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Cain) Even if we round up, we're screwi...   Sep 13 2007, 06:10 PM
- - Tanegar   QUOTE (neko128) ...someone will eventually remind ...   Sep 15 2007, 02:37 AM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Sep 13 2007, 06:03 AM) hmm...   Sep 15 2007, 03:02 AM
- - neko128   QUOTE (Tanegar) QUOTE (neko128 @ Sep 13 2007,...   Sep 15 2007, 03:20 AM
- - Hartbaine   Well, if you think about it since bioware costs es...   Sep 15 2007, 03:52 AM
- - DTFarstar   I would just like to chime in that while four deci...   Sep 15 2007, 04:17 AM
- - DTFarstar   I may be wrong, as I don't have Aug yet, but c...   Sep 15 2007, 04:24 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Hartbaine @ Sep 14 2007, 10:52 PM) Wel...   Sep 15 2007, 05:57 AM
- - tyweise   Do Essence values ever have to be calculated on th...   Sep 15 2007, 02:20 PM
- - eidolon   You're completely wrong and your argument is t...   Sep 15 2007, 02:27 PM
- - BishopMcQ   QUOTE (tyweise) eighth of an inch (~0.3125 cm) on ...   Sep 15 2007, 04:10 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE (tyweise) Do Essence values ever have to be ...   Sep 15 2007, 05:31 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cain @ Sep 15 2007, 11:31 AM) If one g...   Sep 15 2007, 06:43 PM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (Cain) Character creation is the big one. T...   Sep 15 2007, 08:02 PM
- - Hartbaine   QUOTE (Cain) Character creation is the big one. T...   Sep 15 2007, 09:12 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE (eidolon) QUOTE (Cain @ Sep 15 2007, 11...   Sep 16 2007, 12:38 AM
- - eidolon   I don't dispute that there's a lot to keep...   Sep 16 2007, 03:31 PM
- - Cain   I've made a few. The times involved ranged fr...   Sep 16 2007, 04:21 PM
- - eidolon   Being familiar with both of those systems, I perso...   Sep 16 2007, 05:42 PM


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