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DocTaotsu
post Feb 3 2008, 12:32 PM
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I've been running a SR game for a couple of sessions now and we've been having an excellent time. I keep adding pages to my "Why doesn't it never go smooth?" reference guide and my players keep staying alive and enjoying themselves. I was starting to feel really good about the game, feeling like I was doin my job of making the 6-8 hours they give up to play worth the time.

Than we took on a third player who wanted to be a mage.

The game was an exercise in frustration for a couple of reasons:
1. Player/GM not familiar enough with the magic rules
2. GM unable to fairly and consistently decide what a given spell could do.
3. Game just didn't flow and no amount of my patented "Gaming Gloss" could make it move forward at the speed we were used to. One player was brutally honest and said, "You know, I think I liked it better before we had to deal with magic."

The first two problems are clearly mine, and I figure that learning the rules and pounding out some house rules on spell effects will get us moving in the right direction. In particular we had a problem with Bind because the description really doesn't tell me how freaking powerful it is, in fact, aside from guarenteeing that it would effect a given target, I had no idea why a player would cast it at anyting higher than force 4. At the same time should a force 4 spell be able to lock up the wheel of a hardened combat vehicle? Shouldn't all those horsies make it hard to keep it bound? Should I do an extended opposed test of some sort (beyond the initial threshold test)? Gragh? What the hell do you all do with Ignite too? What's to keep a force 4 Ignite spell from lighting an entire tank or part there of on fire? It says in the description that it burns normally... last time I checked burning metal burns pretty damn hot and for freakin forever.

How do you all run magic so that it doesn't completely side track the game everytime the player wants to summon a spirit or cast a complex spell? How can I do this balancing without making it stupid easy for the the mage to "break" the universe? What's the best way to control the almost overwhelming power of a magic level 5 mage tooling around discretely lighting shit on fire or projecting all over the damn place?

I know I'm just being dense and unimaginative, so thanks in advance.
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- DocTaotsu   Getting Hosed By Magic   Feb 3 2008, 12:32 PM
- - MaxHunter   Well, getting to know the rules is particularly im...   Feb 3 2008, 02:19 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (MaxHunter @ Feb 4 2008, 01:19 AM) ...   Feb 3 2008, 10:46 PM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 3 2008, 10:46 PM) Th...   Feb 3 2008, 11:40 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ Feb 3 2008, 12:32 PM) ...   Feb 3 2008, 02:27 PM
- - DocTaotsu   OH THANK GOD. I thought I was going crazy. I ju...   Feb 3 2008, 02:48 PM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ Feb 3 2008, 02:48 PM) ...   Feb 3 2008, 02:59 PM
- - DocTaotsu   Oh, tell me about how you all handle karma awards ...   Feb 3 2008, 03:11 PM
|- - the_dunner   QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ Feb 3 2008, 10:11 AM) ...   Feb 3 2008, 03:21 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   I'm guessing if you're having trouble with...   Feb 3 2008, 03:36 PM
- - DocTaotsu   Hm... alright so I'll be scaling back those ka...   Feb 3 2008, 03:40 PM
- - Ian Argent   Mechanically, I can't help you, I've never...   Feb 3 2008, 04:26 PM
- - nezumi   I'm guessing this is SR4 talk, but an old crot...   Feb 3 2008, 04:28 PM
- - Ravor   Something else to remember is that the Mage is ver...   Feb 3 2008, 05:01 PM
- - knasser   Okay. Since Ravor has emphasized that Background c...   Feb 3 2008, 05:25 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (knasser @ Feb 3 2008, 06:25 PM) Ok...   Feb 3 2008, 05:54 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   You're probably slightly overpaying on Karma, ...   Feb 3 2008, 05:44 PM
- - Ravor   knasser and I seldom agree, and when we do it...   Feb 3 2008, 08:06 PM
- - DocTaotsu   I think I'm going to be using liberal amounts ...   Feb 3 2008, 09:16 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ Feb 3 2008, 10:16 PM) ...   Feb 4 2008, 01:11 AM
- - fool   I don't know if thes things have been mentione...   Feb 3 2008, 09:40 PM
- - Fortune   Curses! Oh well, half right is better than n...   Feb 4 2008, 12:10 AM
- - Whipstitch   Yeah, Ignite's a special case, but on the brig...   Feb 4 2008, 01:20 AM
- - Ravor   knasser I don't know, I seem to recall the per...   Feb 4 2008, 06:02 AM
- - Riley37   Note on Ignite and metal: Some metal burns under s...   Feb 4 2008, 06:48 AM
- - Ryu   Wouldn´t aluminium cease to burn real fast? Or is...   Feb 4 2008, 10:47 AM
- - DocTaotsu   make sense to me, I know that aircraft burn well f...   Feb 4 2008, 11:00 AM
|- - Madrigan   QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ Feb 4 2008, 08:00 PM) ...   Feb 5 2008, 01:45 PM
- - Ian Argent   I had forgotten about the inability to target disc...   Feb 4 2008, 02:57 PM
- - Eleazar   QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ Feb 3 2008, 07:32 AM) ...   Feb 4 2008, 03:03 PM
- - kzt   All you have to do is create an atomized cloud of ...   Feb 4 2008, 04:51 PM
- - DocTaotsu   For those of you who couldn't understand the q...   Feb 6 2008, 10:29 AM
- - MaxHunter   Not necesarilly, but i sure ain't easy to have...   Feb 6 2008, 11:19 AM
- - DocTaotsu   Ah, good point. The mage really fills a utility r...   Feb 6 2008, 11:44 AM
|- - Cardul   QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ Feb 6 2008, 07:44 AM) ...   Feb 6 2008, 11:56 AM
- - DocTaotsu   "Maybe we could... i dunno, drag him or somet...   Feb 6 2008, 01:04 PM
- - Ravor   Well I'd imagine that the numbers would depend...   Feb 6 2008, 04:47 PM
- - Whipstitch   Why? I mean, really, what are you going to use it ...   Feb 6 2008, 04:58 PM
- - Ravor   Sure you have to plan around the ritual, but espec...   Feb 6 2008, 05:56 PM
- - Athanatos   Ritually Casting something like Physical Barrier t...   Feb 6 2008, 06:17 PM
- - Whipstitch   See, if I was going to go through all that trouble...   Feb 6 2008, 06:21 PM
- - Athanatos   Yeah, I have to admit having a spirit with Movemen...   Feb 6 2008, 08:04 PM
- - masterofm   What other things does this guy use besides bind a...   Feb 6 2008, 09:42 PM
- - Athanatos   I was trying to make a similar point in that if ma...   Feb 8 2008, 03:37 AM


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